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Any comparisons to Restic? Looks like basically the same thing but with a GUI available. Edit: Found this very ad-hoc "benchmark" from over a year ago claiming

by bhaney 3y ago

Any comparisons to Restic? Looks like basically the same thing but with a GUI available. Edit: Found this very ad-hoc "benchmark" from over a year ago claiming that Kopia managed significantly better deduplication than Restic after several backups (what took Restic 2.2GB, Kopia did in <700MB). No idea if the advantage falls off outside of this particular benchmark, but if it doesn't then that's a pretty big improvement. https://github.com/kopia/kopia/issues/1809#issuecomment-1067704648 https://github.com/kopia/kopia/issues/1809#issuecomment-1067... Edit Edit: Never mind, this benchmark was from before Restic supported compression, which is the why its size is so much larger. Feels like that should have been mentioned.

alyandon 3y ago
Restic only (relatively) recently implemented compression so I'd run my own tests before making a decision. I'm currently thinking about migrating off borg to restic and disk space usage is very similar based on my testing.
pizza234 3y ago
UX is very important for backups (considering that users can be very lazy, so the least friction, the better), so a GUI is an important component; those who don't care about UX surely have infinite ways to perform their backups. My dealbreaker with Restic was near-realtime backup - the discussion has been open for 5 years now: https://forum.restic.net/t/continuous-backup/593); https://forum.restic.net/t/continuous-backup/593); this is also a UX problem. I haven't checked if Kopia supports it (or has better support, anyway), though.
- anderspitman 3y ago
  That link is corrupted. HN thinks the ");" is part of it: https://forum.restic.net/t/continuous-backup/593 https://forum.restic.net/t/continuous-backup/593
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ntolia 3y ago
One thing I will mention is that other backup projects have switched from Restic to Kopia. Velero from VMware comes to mind.
e12e 3y ago
I'd be interested in comparison with: https://relicabackup.com/features https://relicabackup.com/features https://github.com/netinvent/npbackup https://github.com/netinvent/npbackup Which is my current short-list for cross platform backup...
lucb1e 3y ago
> Kopia managed significantly better deduplication > ... was from before Restic supported compression, which is the why its size is so much larger deduplication != compression... So we don't actually know which has better deduplication? Compression algorithms are well-established and you can find a million people who benchmarked them all for different purposes, but deduplication algorithms I never saw a comparison of. I don't even know if these things have proper names or if people just refer to them as "rsync-like"
Fabricio20 3y ago
I just switched over to Kopia as I was not entirely happy with restic, and so far one feature that actually got me by surprise is that Kopia supports reading .gitignore files! So you can tell it to back up your projects folder and it will automatically respect whatever each project has in gitignore. Now that may be possible with restic, but I spent way more time trying to configure scripts and yaml files than actually running backups there.. The GUI does help!

by bhaney 3y ago

alyandon 3y ago

Restic only (relatively) recently implemented compression so I'd run my own tests before making a decision. I'm currently thinking about migrating off borg to restic and disk space usage is very similar based on my testing.

pizza234 3y ago

UX is very important for backups (considering that users can be very lazy, so the least friction, the better), so a GUI is an important component; those who don't care about UX surely have infinite ways to perform their backups. My dealbreaker with Restic was near-realtime backup - the discussion has been open for 5 years now: https://forum.restic.net/t/continuous-backup/593); https://forum.restic.net/t/continuous-backup/593); this is also a UX problem. I haven't checked if Kopia supports it (or has better support, anyway), though.

anderspitman 3y ago
That link is corrupted. HN thinks the ");" is part of it: https://forum.restic.net/t/continuous-backup/593 https://forum.restic.net/t/continuous-backup/593

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ntolia 3y ago

One thing I will mention is that other backup projects have switched from Restic to Kopia. Velero from VMware comes to mind.

e12e 3y ago

I'd be interested in comparison with: https://relicabackup.com/features https://relicabackup.com/features https://github.com/netinvent/npbackup https://github.com/netinvent/npbackup Which is my current short-list for cross platform backup...

lucb1e 3y ago

> Kopia managed significantly better deduplication > ... was from before Restic supported compression, which is the why its size is so much larger deduplication != compression... So we don't actually know which has better deduplication? Compression algorithms are well-established and you can find a million people who benchmarked them all for different purposes, but deduplication algorithms I never saw a comparison of. I don't even know if these things have proper names or if people just refer to them as "rsync-like"

Fabricio20 3y ago

I just switched over to Kopia as I was not entirely happy with restic, and so far one feature that actually got me by surprise is that Kopia supports reading .gitignore files! So you can tell it to back up your projects folder and it will automatically respect whatever each project has in gitignore. Now that may be possible with restic, but I spent way more time trying to configure scripts and yaml files than actually running backups there.. The GUI does help!