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This is great, shrinkflation is one of these disgusting practices that play on the human psyche to trick people. But also carrefour (and large retailers like t

This is great, shrinkflation is one of these disgusting practices that play on the human psyche to trick people. But also carrefour (and large retailers like them) are notorious for abusing their power when buying, and are a large part of the systemic problem. I don't know how much this is negotiating technique.

krisoft 3y ago
> I don't know how much this is negotiating technique. 100%. What else would it be?
- monooso 3y ago
  It could be a marketing tactic.
  - CptKriechstrom 3y ago
    ideally serves as both
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- fatfingerd 3y ago
  Reputation. When you see a different size for the first time at big chains they sometimes are not a change to the manufacturers normal lines. (If you have much faster turn over than other places your customer's shop that could also reinforce the perception that you are complicit.)
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waihtis 3y ago
Does it matter if the customer benefits?
- jader201 3y ago
  It’s like Yelp, though. If they’re just wielding power over manufacturers, they also have the power to give into negotiations to remove the labels if manufacturers pay enough. Which means it’s ultimately no longer about benefiting the customers, but squeezing as much as they can from manufacturers, and we end up with only get part of the truth.
- oconnor663 3y ago
  I suppose hypothetically if they were murdering their suppliers' employees then we'd need to put a stop to that. But otherwise yeah, all the more power to them.
  - BlueTemplar 3y ago
    Ah, the "sicilian haircut" ?
- charles_f 3y ago
  It does, I won't applaud Putin if he switches to electric tanks. (not that Carrefour is Putin, but you get the point - a marginal fix from someone who is a nontrivial cause of a problem is not a triumph) This is a good idea, shame drives change, and it's good that customers get better information. But also, the customer rarely benefits from large monopolies leveraging their power. Somehow they're always the losing bystander in these battles. I'm suspecting that the real motive is different, and I don't know the long term consequences of how they're gonna leverage that new negotiation tool. (maybe they won't display it if the manufacturer gives them a discount?). And then maybe it's just marketing, maybe there's no motive, and they want to show they are supportive of their customers. But then once a buyer realizes the tool they have to leverage an extra discount, it may change. Forgive for being suspicious when an actor that has historically always been acting on their own capitalistic interests starts doing something that is not.
  - marcosdumay 3y ago
    That's hardly abuse of economical power. Wake me up if they decide to remove some label due to a negotiation. Otherwise, that's the slippery slope fallacy, that is false on practice about as often as it's true.
robjan 3y ago
There's a general push in supermarkets to move consumers towards own-brand goods as the profit margin is higher. It wouldn't surprise me if this was a marketing tactic to push people in this direction.
- Foobar8568 3y ago
  And carrefour is among the worst offenders on this topic.
gniv 3y ago
I don't know anything about them as a corporate citizen, but out of the (many) supermarket chains here in France I like them the best. They are not the cheapest, but the quality/price ratio is usually correct and the store branded items are very good.
- kergonath 3y ago
  Their store brand is good, but their practices with their suppliers are disgusting, just like the others.
- charles_f 3y ago
  As a buyer, they have a reputation to be driving producers to the ground. Their buying power is so large that they can pretty much dictate the costs, which drives all sorts of issues - brankrupting the smaller ones, lowering the quality across the board, forcing them to take shortcuts, cheating, shrinkflating, etc.
jakub_g 3y ago
I watched a documentary on this a few weeks ago. In France, there's 2 big groups which control outsized % of whole market. They squeeze producers really hard. They have a lot of abusive rules in contracts which are unrealistic. Like, you must deliver your stuff to market X precisely at 2AM, not before not after, and for every minute of delay you pay a large fine. Now, when trying to deliver to N markets during same night, there's always delays in some of the places because the recipients in market Z are slow - fines are on the producers. All the extra promos etc in supermarkets (buy 2 get 3) are funded by the producers as well.

krisoft 3y ago

> I don't know how much this is negotiating technique. 100%. What else would it be?

monooso 3y ago
It could be a marketing tactic.
- CptKriechstrom 3y ago
  ideally serves as both
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
fatfingerd 3y ago
Reputation. When you see a different size for the first time at big chains they sometimes are not a change to the manufacturers normal lines. (If you have much faster turn over than other places your customer's shop that could also reinforce the perception that you are complicit.)
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]

waihtis 3y ago

Does it matter if the customer benefits?

jader201 3y ago
It’s like Yelp, though. If they’re just wielding power over manufacturers, they also have the power to give into negotiations to remove the labels if manufacturers pay enough. Which means it’s ultimately no longer about benefiting the customers, but squeezing as much as they can from manufacturers, and we end up with only get part of the truth.
oconnor663 3y ago
I suppose hypothetically if they were murdering their suppliers' employees then we'd need to put a stop to that. But otherwise yeah, all the more power to them.
- BlueTemplar 3y ago
  Ah, the "sicilian haircut" ?
charles_f 3y ago
It does, I won't applaud Putin if he switches to electric tanks. (not that Carrefour is Putin, but you get the point - a marginal fix from someone who is a nontrivial cause of a problem is not a triumph) This is a good idea, shame drives change, and it's good that customers get better information. But also, the customer rarely benefits from large monopolies leveraging their power. Somehow they're always the losing bystander in these battles. I'm suspecting that the real motive is different, and I don't know the long term consequences of how they're gonna leverage that new negotiation tool. (maybe they won't display it if the manufacturer gives them a discount?). And then maybe it's just marketing, maybe there's no motive, and they want to show they are supportive of their customers. But then once a buyer realizes the tool they have to leverage an extra discount, it may change. Forgive for being suspicious when an actor that has historically always been acting on their own capitalistic interests starts doing something that is not.
- marcosdumay 3y ago
  That's hardly abuse of economical power. Wake me up if they decide to remove some label due to a negotiation. Otherwise, that's the slippery slope fallacy, that is false on practice about as often as it's true.

robjan 3y ago

There's a general push in supermarkets to move consumers towards own-brand goods as the profit margin is higher. It wouldn't surprise me if this was a marketing tactic to push people in this direction.

Foobar8568 3y ago
And carrefour is among the worst offenders on this topic.

gniv 3y ago

I don't know anything about them as a corporate citizen, but out of the (many) supermarket chains here in France I like them the best. They are not the cheapest, but the quality/price ratio is usually correct and the store branded items are very good.

kergonath 3y ago
Their store brand is good, but their practices with their suppliers are disgusting, just like the others.
charles_f 3y ago
As a buyer, they have a reputation to be driving producers to the ground. Their buying power is so large that they can pretty much dictate the costs, which drives all sorts of issues - brankrupting the smaller ones, lowering the quality across the board, forcing them to take shortcuts, cheating, shrinkflating, etc.

jakub_g 3y ago

I watched a documentary on this a few weeks ago. In France, there's 2 big groups which control outsized % of whole market. They squeeze producers really hard. They have a lot of abusive rules in contracts which are unrealistic. Like, you must deliver your stuff to market X precisely at 2AM, not before not after, and for every minute of delay you pay a large fine. Now, when trying to deliver to N markets during same night, there's always delays in some of the places because the recipients in market Z are slow - fines are on the producers. All the extra promos etc in supermarkets (buy 2 get 3) are funded by the producers as well.