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In Belgium, every citizen has access to a "digital vault" provided by the government, which is accessible using their ID card. Individuals can upload up to 1GB

In Belgium, every citizen has access to a "digital vault" provided by the government, which is accessible using their ID card. Individuals can upload up to 1GB of documents into this vault. It's a well-designed system that ensures privacy during one's lifetime, but you can choose what happens with it after your passing. https://www.izimi.be/en/ https://www.izimi.be/en/

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ujnproduct 3y ago
Interesting. TIL
- tomrod 3y ago
  Indeed. Government-provided digital services can be a good experience. There is a lot of initiative in the US to improve the sprawling and incoherent experience. As an example, on the IRS website you can access your personal information (returns, all submitted tax info from various sources) going back for several years. As far as I'm aware this is a newer service.
8fingerlouie 3y ago
In Denmark we have e-boks and mit.dk which offer much the same service. On top of that, every official document, from birth certifica, loans, drivers license, health insurance, and everything else is stored in government databases and can usually be accessed from there, provided your national single sign-on solution, MitID, works.
moooo99 3y ago
In Germany we have government entities that are unable/refusing to accept anything but Mail in forms or fax as an official communication channel :/ I’m jealous over countries that have such well designed systems in place to make things easy for their citizens
- egeozcan 3y ago
  In Germany, the government entities also rarely, if ever, communicate with each other. I'm offered a citizenship and while I'm extremely grateful and even considering the fact that Germany is the country I love the most by a huge margin, I couldn't bring myself to start gathering the documents they need from various government offices. It's been many years, I wonder if I'll get on with it sometime in the future.
  - moooo99 3y ago
    I can’t even start to imagine the annoyance that people have to go trough when they need something really important, like a citizenship or a visa. I haven’t had to deal with that bureaucratic processes, but if I extrapolate the awful experiences I had with something as simple as a new ID, I can fully understand why people hate this kind of organization.
    - coderatlarge 3y ago
      I'm dealing with a bureaucracy which is literally asking me to essentially document every place I've lived and every place I've worked for the last 30+ years. Not only that, but they require paper documents with paper Apostilles affixed and everything notarized. Even if it were possible, it would cost many thousands of dollars in documents and travel fees. In practice, it's essentially impossible because some employers no longer exist, others don't provide paper documents, etc.
      - allarm 3y ago
        Is that for a citizenship application? I’ve moved to Germany around 1.5 years ago and quite excited about the perspective of relatively easy and fast citizenship, but the process you’re describing is insane, I won’t be able to get paper docs from many of my employers.
    - nicbou 3y ago
      It’s a massive pain and people regularly leave the country due to unbearable bureaucratic delays.
altisome 3y ago
Similar service is available in India : see digilocker https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DigiLocker https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DigiLocker
caretak3r 3y ago
A legal and secure dead man's switch?
Brajeshwar 3y ago
India has a similar offering called DigiLocker - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DigiLocker https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DigiLocker
Eumenes 3y ago
> It's a well-designed system that ensures privacy during one's lifetime So is a filing cabinet or safe, ideas that have worked well for 1000s of years. If you really need a digital backup, throw the documents on a $10 flash drive, maybe have two copies of that. I guess I'm cynical because governments and institutions get hacked all the time.
- coderatlarge 3y ago
  I had/have filing cabinets. The problem is that over the years they grew into collections of multiple paper boxes with poor indexing and scattered contents (i.e., some docs in a series in one box, other docs in a series in another box). And then I moved again and again for various reasons. And then I ended up living abroad in places where it wasn't easy to bring all the boxes along. It's been a tricky balance :)
DontchaKnowit 3y ago
As an American, this is hilarious. The american people would riot in the street over something like this
- meristohm 3y ago
  Some Americans would. Those of us who want the US government to do an excellent job of taking care of the people in the USA (not just citizens) might be inclined to support such a centralized system for storing important personal information. I'm more collectivist after witnessing how the USA handled/handles COVID-19. I wear masks not just to protect myself, but also other people far removed.
- coderatlarge 3y ago
  I assume you mean that many Americans would consider this overreach by the government.
lotsoweiners 3y ago
Are you able to pay to increase your storage amount?

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ujnproduct 3y ago

Interesting. TIL

tomrod 3y ago
Indeed. Government-provided digital services can be a good experience. There is a lot of initiative in the US to improve the sprawling and incoherent experience. As an example, on the IRS website you can access your personal information (returns, all submitted tax info from various sources) going back for several years. As far as I'm aware this is a newer service.

8fingerlouie 3y ago

In Denmark we have e-boks and mit.dk which offer much the same service. On top of that, every official document, from birth certifica, loans, drivers license, health insurance, and everything else is stored in government databases and can usually be accessed from there, provided your national single sign-on solution, MitID, works.

moooo99 3y ago

In Germany we have government entities that are unable/refusing to accept anything but Mail in forms or fax as an official communication channel :/ I’m jealous over countries that have such well designed systems in place to make things easy for their citizens

egeozcan 3y ago
In Germany, the government entities also rarely, if ever, communicate with each other. I'm offered a citizenship and while I'm extremely grateful and even considering the fact that Germany is the country I love the most by a huge margin, I couldn't bring myself to start gathering the documents they need from various government offices. It's been many years, I wonder if I'll get on with it sometime in the future.
- moooo99 3y ago
  I can’t even start to imagine the annoyance that people have to go trough when they need something really important, like a citizenship or a visa. I haven’t had to deal with that bureaucratic processes, but if I extrapolate the awful experiences I had with something as simple as a new ID, I can fully understand why people hate this kind of organization.
  - coderatlarge 3y ago
    I'm dealing with a bureaucracy which is literally asking me to essentially document every place I've lived and every place I've worked for the last 30+ years. Not only that, but they require paper documents with paper Apostilles affixed and everything notarized. Even if it were possible, it would cost many thousands of dollars in documents and travel fees. In practice, it's essentially impossible because some employers no longer exist, others don't provide paper documents, etc.
    - allarm 3y ago
      Is that for a citizenship application? I’ve moved to Germany around 1.5 years ago and quite excited about the perspective of relatively easy and fast citizenship, but the process you’re describing is insane, I won’t be able to get paper docs from many of my employers.
  - nicbou 3y ago
    It’s a massive pain and people regularly leave the country due to unbearable bureaucratic delays.

altisome 3y ago

Similar service is available in India : see digilocker https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DigiLocker https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DigiLocker

caretak3r 3y ago

A legal and secure dead man's switch?

Brajeshwar 3y ago

India has a similar offering called DigiLocker - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DigiLocker https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DigiLocker

Eumenes 3y ago

> It's a well-designed system that ensures privacy during one's lifetime So is a filing cabinet or safe, ideas that have worked well for 1000s of years. If you really need a digital backup, throw the documents on a $10 flash drive, maybe have two copies of that. I guess I'm cynical because governments and institutions get hacked all the time.

coderatlarge 3y ago
I had/have filing cabinets. The problem is that over the years they grew into collections of multiple paper boxes with poor indexing and scattered contents (i.e., some docs in a series in one box, other docs in a series in another box). And then I moved again and again for various reasons. And then I ended up living abroad in places where it wasn't easy to bring all the boxes along. It's been a tricky balance :)

DontchaKnowit 3y ago

As an American, this is hilarious. The american people would riot in the street over something like this

meristohm 3y ago
Some Americans would. Those of us who want the US government to do an excellent job of taking care of the people in the USA (not just citizens) might be inclined to support such a centralized system for storing important personal information. I'm more collectivist after witnessing how the USA handled/handles COVID-19. I wear masks not just to protect myself, but also other people far removed.
coderatlarge 3y ago
I assume you mean that many Americans would consider this overreach by the government.

lotsoweiners 3y ago

Are you able to pay to increase your storage amount?