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If the genders were reversed it would be binned as sexist without any support or regard for context Why exactly should the expectation of justification go one

If the genders were reversed it would be binned as sexist without any support or regard for context Why exactly should the expectation of justification go one way but not the other? Frankly, I’ll take the same standard and apply it the other way. The author is sexist, the article is hot garbage

kajecounterhack 3y ago
Language is contextual. A woman who has seen repeated instances of male misbehavior is within her rights to record her feelings about it — “the men here are mediocre” in this context is clearly not talking about all men but her feelings about the shitty men she encountered, and also pointing at a pattern of what happens when there are a large number of white males vs more diverse settings (this isn’t unique to Antarctica — Google has this problem). Mistreatment of women in such settings is well documented. It’s like if you say “my job sucks” — not all parts of your job may actually suck, just the parts you hate. Or “the government is corrupt” most folks would infer that you are talking about a specific subelement. If we lived in a society where women routinely mistreated men then flipping the statement wouldn’t be offensive. What makes it offensive flipped is mostly that generalizations about women typically encode harmful falsehoods that come from generations of patriarchy. You could not flip her statements in good faith because women do not treat men the way she described anyway. As a progressive I hate that it isn’t simple as much as everyone else. But to fight for equality is to understand that the origins of the fight come from unwanted asymmetry and of course that’s going to be reflected in discourse.
- iconcur564 3y ago
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- omscs99 3y ago
  > because women do not treat men the way she described anyway. How would you know?
  - vkou 3y ago
    What evidence would you accept?
Supermancho 3y ago
> Why exactly should the expectation of justification go one way but not the other? The existing conditions in Antarctica. The idea that sexism is an absolute abhorrent behavior (with a focus on either or both genders) is not something to promote, despite the fervor in recent years. The sexes have a different representation in the arctic and pointing them out is akin to pointing out that a lot of left handers apply to NASA. I wouldn't call something garbage because I'm offended someone held up a patch that says "Only left handers are in their right mind". Getting upset at this writer/article/situation is not constructive. Nor is the condemnation a fair editorial critique, imo.
paint 3y ago
> If the genders were reversed it would be binned as sexist without any support or regard for context This is what happened in the comments? She gave context in the post. Did you read it?

kajecounterhack 3y ago

Language is contextual. A woman who has seen repeated instances of male misbehavior is within her rights to record her feelings about it — “the men here are mediocre” in this context is clearly not talking about all men but her feelings about the shitty men she encountered, and also pointing at a pattern of what happens when there are a large number of white males vs more diverse settings (this isn’t unique to Antarctica — Google has this problem). Mistreatment of women in such settings is well documented. It’s like if you say “my job sucks” — not all parts of your job may actually suck, just the parts you hate. Or “the government is corrupt” most folks would infer that you are talking about a specific subelement. If we lived in a society where women routinely mistreated men then flipping the statement wouldn’t be offensive. What makes it offensive flipped is mostly that generalizations about women typically encode harmful falsehoods that come from generations of patriarchy. You could not flip her statements in good faith because women do not treat men the way she described anyway. As a progressive I hate that it isn’t simple as much as everyone else. But to fight for equality is to understand that the origins of the fight come from unwanted asymmetry and of course that’s going to be reflected in discourse.

iconcur564 3y ago
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omscs99 3y ago
> because women do not treat men the way she described anyway. How would you know?
- vkou 3y ago
  What evidence would you accept?

Supermancho 3y ago

> Why exactly should the expectation of justification go one way but not the other? The existing conditions in Antarctica. The idea that sexism is an absolute abhorrent behavior (with a focus on either or both genders) is not something to promote, despite the fervor in recent years. The sexes have a different representation in the arctic and pointing them out is akin to pointing out that a lot of left handers apply to NASA. I wouldn't call something garbage because I'm offended someone held up a patch that says "Only left handers are in their right mind". Getting upset at this writer/article/situation is not constructive. Nor is the condemnation a fair editorial critique, imo.

paint 3y ago

> If the genders were reversed it would be binned as sexist without any support or regard for context This is what happened in the comments? She gave context in the post. Did you read it?