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Some background before i explain why your suggestion is "not even wrong". The phrase you quote is generally used to imply a stupid or unscientific suggestion.

Some background before i explain why your suggestion is "not even wrong". The phrase you quote is generally used to imply a stupid or unscientific suggestion. Your succeeding comments about what you think AGI is carry a certitude that isn't warranted. It's good that you are trying to supply knowledge where you think it is lacking, and I understand there are fora where this sort of public school lecturing is amusing but I think your tone is misplaced here.

carapace 3y ago
I feel your tone-policing is misplaced here. When someone is that ignorant or foolish they should be told so so they can hopefully recalibrate or something. There's enough inchoate nonsense on the Internet that I appreciate the efforts to keep discussion on a little higher level here.
- p-e-w 3y ago
  > There's enough inchoate nonsense on the Internet I agree 100%. But the top-level comment is not an example of such. However, the reply in question – and your comment – are certainly examples of the kind of tone-deaf, needlessly aggressive, hostile, confrontational, and borderline malicious posts I wish I could cleanse the Internet of wholesale.
  - gfody 3y ago
    first two comments are the classic HN banter I’m here for, next two have stink on them I do not like
    - Dylan16807 3y ago
      Banter shouldn't be insulting for no good reason.
      - ltbarcly3 3y ago
        Banter by definition is teasing, which insulting. That, along with being humorous in that context and not to be taken seriously is what makes it banter rather than any other form of exchange. Lets just go to the dictionary: Banter (n): the playful and friendly exchange of teasing remarks. Teasing (adj): intended to provoke or make fun of someone in a playful way.
        Dylan16807 3y ago
        And in specific, "not even wrong" is a total shutdown, not playful.
        ltbarcly3 3y ago
        Oh I agree 100%, that wasn't banter, it was a grumpy shutdown.
  - carapace 3y ago
    Thanks for the feedback, I disagree. > tone-deaf, needlessly aggressive, hostile, confrontational, and borderline malicious posts I wish I could cleanse the Internet of wholesale. I have never said this before, but maybe you're a little too sensitive? In any event, I feel your characterization of my comment borders on ad hominem and certainly it seems to violate the site guideline to interpret comments charitably. Good day.
    - justinclift 3y ago
      > When someone is that ignorant or foolish ... Dude. Calling people "ignorant or foolish" isn't exactly great either. :(
      - deleted 3y ago
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ltbarcly3 3y ago
Years long compression challenge with dozens of geniuses participating: exists Random person on the internet: let me improve this thing I've never heard of by using the one fact I know about compression, there are two kinds It's absolute hubris and a waste of everyone's time to chime in with low value, trash comments like "they should make it lossy". It's not unreasonable at all to take a snarky tone in response. "not even wrong" absolutely applies here, and they carefully, patiently, and in great detail explained why.
- Dylan16807 3y ago
  It depends on your goal. If your goal is compressing human knowledge, then you do want to avoid wasting bits on the details of wording that were random chance. The problem is inability to objectively judge such a compression, not the mere fact that it won't be bit-perfect. It is not "not even wrong".
  - ltbarcly3 3y ago
    You didn't even read the thread though? All the methods in this competition that are competitive DO use lossy compression.
    - Dylan16807 3y ago
      I did read the thread. I'm objecting to the idea that stacking lossless corrections onto lossy compression and then measuring the total is a good way to measure what we want to measure here, wrt human knowledge. It may be the best we have, but it's not good. See my other comment here, that I probably shouldn't have put in a reply to a reply to a dead comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37506099 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37506099
      - ltbarcly3 3y ago
        Why should we care what you think though? Im not being nasty, but unless you have a reputation in that field you have to give some cogent argument or its just some random possibly-uninformed opinion.
Lanzaa 3y ago
The phrase ["not even wrong"] is generally used to imply a stupid or unscientific suggestion. An unscientific suggestion is exactly what was offered. Forgive my ignorance, but why was the tone of the message misplaced, and what was the tone?

carapace 3y ago

I feel your tone-policing is misplaced here. When someone is that ignorant or foolish they should be told so so they can hopefully recalibrate or something. There's enough inchoate nonsense on the Internet that I appreciate the efforts to keep discussion on a little higher level here.

p-e-w 3y ago
> There's enough inchoate nonsense on the Internet I agree 100%. But the top-level comment is not an example of such. However, the reply in question – and your comment – are certainly examples of the kind of tone-deaf, needlessly aggressive, hostile, confrontational, and borderline malicious posts I wish I could cleanse the Internet of wholesale.
- gfody 3y ago
  first two comments are the classic HN banter I’m here for, next two have stink on them I do not like
  - Dylan16807 3y ago
    Banter shouldn't be insulting for no good reason.
    - ltbarcly3 3y ago
      Banter by definition is teasing, which insulting. That, along with being humorous in that context and not to be taken seriously is what makes it banter rather than any other form of exchange. Lets just go to the dictionary: Banter (n): the playful and friendly exchange of teasing remarks. Teasing (adj): intended to provoke or make fun of someone in a playful way.
      - Dylan16807 3y ago
        And in specific, "not even wrong" is a total shutdown, not playful.
        ltbarcly3 3y ago
        Oh I agree 100%, that wasn't banter, it was a grumpy shutdown.
- carapace 3y ago
  Thanks for the feedback, I disagree. > tone-deaf, needlessly aggressive, hostile, confrontational, and borderline malicious posts I wish I could cleanse the Internet of wholesale. I have never said this before, but maybe you're a little too sensitive? In any event, I feel your characterization of my comment borders on ad hominem and certainly it seems to violate the site guideline to interpret comments charitably. Good day.
  - justinclift 3y ago
    > When someone is that ignorant or foolish ... Dude. Calling people "ignorant or foolish" isn't exactly great either. :(
    - deleted 3y ago
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ltbarcly3 3y ago

Years long compression challenge with dozens of geniuses participating: exists Random person on the internet: let me improve this thing I've never heard of by using the one fact I know about compression, there are two kinds It's absolute hubris and a waste of everyone's time to chime in with low value, trash comments like "they should make it lossy". It's not unreasonable at all to take a snarky tone in response. "not even wrong" absolutely applies here, and they carefully, patiently, and in great detail explained why.

Dylan16807 3y ago
It depends on your goal. If your goal is compressing human knowledge, then you do want to avoid wasting bits on the details of wording that were random chance. The problem is inability to objectively judge such a compression, not the mere fact that it won't be bit-perfect. It is not "not even wrong".
- ltbarcly3 3y ago
  You didn't even read the thread though? All the methods in this competition that are competitive DO use lossy compression.
  - Dylan16807 3y ago
    I did read the thread. I'm objecting to the idea that stacking lossless corrections onto lossy compression and then measuring the total is a good way to measure what we want to measure here, wrt human knowledge. It may be the best we have, but it's not good. See my other comment here, that I probably shouldn't have put in a reply to a reply to a dead comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37506099 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37506099
    - ltbarcly3 3y ago
      Why should we care what you think though? Im not being nasty, but unless you have a reputation in that field you have to give some cogent argument or its just some random possibly-uninformed opinion.

Lanzaa 3y ago

The phrase ["not even wrong"] is generally used to imply a stupid or unscientific suggestion. An unscientific suggestion is exactly what was offered. Forgive my ignorance, but why was the tone of the message misplaced, and what was the tone?