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Maybe it's due to plastics replacing wood. Interesting we haven't found/invented another kind of material to manufacture objects, maybe metal/crystal foam will
by readyplayernull 3y ago
Maybe it's due to plastics replacing wood. Interesting we haven't found/invented another kind of material to manufacture objects, maybe metal/crystal foam will replace it one day, some metal's microparticles should be more environmentaly safe than microplastic which carries additives that are toxic and can be burned.
- vondur 3y agoIsn't the cleared land used for growing food and not wood for making things?
- readyplayernull 3y agoBoth?
- myshpa 3y agohttps://ourworldindata.org/drivers-of-deforestation https://ourworldindata.org/drivers-of-deforestation https://ourworldindata.org/soy https://ourworldindata.org/soy Beef, soy and palm oil are responsible for 60% of tropical deforestation Beef - 2.71 million hectares / year Soy - 480,000 ha / year (77% for animal feed, just 7% for humans) Palm Oil - 270,000 ha / year Wood - 380,000 ha / year (but probably more)
- zztop44 3y agoSo effectively beef is the key driver of tropical deforestation.
- hinkley 3y agoYep. Enjoy your Big Mac.
- prawn 3y agoJust a question out of curiosity, but have you seen figures on the spread of beef usage in specific foods? e.g., what percentage is in ground beef and fast food form, what percentage is in whole cuts heading to homes and restaurants, other applications, etc.
- hinkley 3y agoNot for a while. I do know the big chains and particularly McDonald's have searched far and wide for beef sources. They also compound the pathogen problem by mixing meat from many animals before grinding it to make hamburger. Whereas your butcher shop would be lucky to get 3 cows into a single burger, a big mac may have 1000. One. Thousand. I stopped eating beef for a long time after the vCJD scare. But it was a good excuse to reduce my carbon footprint. Chicken and pork have a much smaller footprint. Now I try to avoid cheap cuts and especially cheap ground beef.
- vondur 3y agoWow, I assumed Palm Oil plantations were the biggest culprit from recent news reports.
- ethbr1 3y agoI think most palm oil production is in SE Asia. Indonesia and Malaysia together product 84% of the world's output. https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2020/10/02/which-countries-produce-the-most-palm-oil-infographic/?sh=5b3055481e42 https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2020/10/02/which-... PS to all: Don't buy products with palm oil, it kills orangutans.
- protocolture 3y agoI dont like Orangutans
- hinkley 3y agoRight turn, Clyde.
- tourmalinetaco 3y agoNot the orangutans :(
- hinkley 3y agoPretty much all commercial cookies contain palm oil. Including Girl Scouts, which acted a few years ago like they were learning new information and would act on it, and have done nothing. Although their concerns about Palm Oil weren't (or at least are no longer) about orangutans, they were about child labor.
- hooverd 3y agoTeach the orangutans to harvest palm fruit.
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- Azek 3y agoSo 3,079,600 ha per annum for Animal Ag vs 760,400 ha for everything else. That's roughly 75:25
- hinkley 3y agoWWF claims that the soy farmers buy land from the ranchers. The cattle ranches burn new forest to replace the farmland they sold. Bloody hands all around.
- romusha 3y agoPeople have invented many kinds of materials as alternatives to plastics tho. It's just not economical. It's not about technology
- lacrimacida 3y agoIts not economical for quick profits/next generation pays the price. Maybe we should take in consideration the ‘long term, that way better things would become a lot more economical, especially when reuse becomes common sense again. We did better in the past in this regard.
- Supermancho 3y ago> Its not economical for quick profits/next generation pays the price. Maybe we should take in consideration the ‘long term Maybe, but 50+ years later and we're still following the money. I don't expect humans to collectively change behavior for longer than either of our lifetimes.
- romusha 3y agoThen what is needed is somekind of social or economic innovations, not tech. All the techs for sustainable green living are there already