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This is a level of corporate sycophancy that must be reviled in polite society for us to move forward.

tristor 3y ago
I assure you, I am not a corporate sycophant. However, the article linked here is a classic definition of FUD. The histrionics in the comments here seem to mostly be driven by anti-Apple zealotry rather than any reasonable analysis of the facts. There is exactly nothing forcing anyone to purchase an iPhone 15, and it very clear in all of the materials from Apple what the different between the Pro and non-Pro models is. The iPhone 14 Pro was discontinued (at a higher price) to make way for the non-Pro iPhone 15, since they are roughly equivalent in capabilities... including in their USB speeds. USB speed was a non-issue 30 days ago, and now it's an emergency that is worthy of histrionics, hand-wringing, and FUD, including calling anyone pointing out how ridiculous this is a "corporate sycophant". Please.
- dzikimarian 3y ago
  > There is exactly nothing forcing anyone to purchase an iPhone 15 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35014499 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35014499 Son was bullied in school, then father was bullied and flagged by HN.
  - tristor 3y ago
    Doesn't sound like force to me. Teenagers are assholes, news at 11. Note, that post was flagged for being pointless flamewar content, and I also flagged this submission we're in now for being pointless flamewar content and FUD.
    - dzikimarian 3y ago
      Except asshole teenagers are part of Apple business strategy https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33500579 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33500579 Do you flag other submissions where companies are called out for minor fuckups? :-)
      - tristor 3y ago
        I flag anything that doesn't meet HN guidelines. It's as simple as that. HN does not need more flamewar content, especially flamewar content that doesn't add any new information to the conversation. There's a ~1000 comment thread about the new iPhone models already on the HN front page, yet this article was posted specifically to spark a flamewar and the article itself is FUD clickbait that adds nothing new to the conversation that's not explicitly stated in the press release. During every iPhone release for the last few years, they have used the previous-generation SoC for the non-Pro models, and that is the core reason the non-Pro iPhone 15 has USB 2 speeds, because that's the controller in the SoC. This is neither surprising, nor worth litigating. It's something Apple themselves socialized over a year ago.
        Toutouxc 3y ago
        > During every iPhone release for the last few years, they have used the previous-generation SoC for the non-Pro models iPhone 14 (last year) was AFAIK the first time they did this (non-pro iPhone 14 didn’t get a new SoC and kept the one used in ALL iPhone 13 models) and there was quite an uproar.
- lazide 3y ago
  Lightning (for its proprietary connector and slow USB) has personally been irritating me for something like a decade now. That they only switched when forced by the EU is sadly typical of them. That they then used this to market segment, so $800 phones still have USB speeds I expect from $15 junk I’d buy on Amazon? That’s just irritating.
  - theshrike79 3y ago
    > That they only switched when forced by the EU is sadly typical of them. Apple promised 10 years of support for Lighting. They gave it that.
    - lazide 3y ago
      Trivially solvable by including an adapter. Which they do all the time anyway.
      - theshrike79 3y ago
        They also had to adapt to the EU regulation, which doesn't allow adapters =)
  - sleepybrett 3y ago
    The design of the lightning plug is vastly superior to their other choices at the time, namely the 30pin dock connector they had been using and the only other obvious choice micro usb B, micro usb b is the most cursed connector in recent memory. It's fragile as fuck, I don't know how many of those fucking plugs I've replaced for friends in devices of all kinds. The lightning plug design on the other hand is as close to bulletproof as you can get for the size and number of connections. The only time someone has ever come to me with a problem with a lightning connector it's been quickly resolved by taking out some very fine tweezers and pulling a bit of lint or dirt out of the female connector.
    - lazide 3y ago
      If they’d swapped it out, oh I don’t know, 5 years ago. Or not required the EU stomp on them to switch, I’d be right there with you. Same with if they had modern speeds on their non-Pro models. They’re just being dicks now though.

I assure you, I am not a corporate sycophant. However, the article linked here is a classic definition of FUD. The histrionics in the comments here seem to mostly be driven by anti-Apple zealotry rather than any reasonable analysis of the facts. There is exactly nothing forcing anyone to purchase an iPhone 15, and it very clear in all of the materials from Apple what the different between the Pro and non-Pro models is. The iPhone 14 Pro was discontinued (at a higher price) to make way for the non-Pro iPhone 15, since they are roughly equivalent in capabilities... including in their USB speeds. USB speed was a non-issue 30 days ago, and now it's an emergency that is worthy of histrionics, hand-wringing, and FUD, including calling anyone pointing out how ridiculous this is a "corporate sycophant". Please.

dzikimarian 3y ago
> There is exactly nothing forcing anyone to purchase an iPhone 15 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35014499 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35014499 Son was bullied in school, then father was bullied and flagged by HN.
- tristor 3y ago
  Doesn't sound like force to me. Teenagers are assholes, news at 11. Note, that post was flagged for being pointless flamewar content, and I also flagged this submission we're in now for being pointless flamewar content and FUD.
  - dzikimarian 3y ago
    Except asshole teenagers are part of Apple business strategy https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33500579 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33500579 Do you flag other submissions where companies are called out for minor fuckups? :-)
    - tristor 3y ago
      I flag anything that doesn't meet HN guidelines. It's as simple as that. HN does not need more flamewar content, especially flamewar content that doesn't add any new information to the conversation. There's a ~1000 comment thread about the new iPhone models already on the HN front page, yet this article was posted specifically to spark a flamewar and the article itself is FUD clickbait that adds nothing new to the conversation that's not explicitly stated in the press release. During every iPhone release for the last few years, they have used the previous-generation SoC for the non-Pro models, and that is the core reason the non-Pro iPhone 15 has USB 2 speeds, because that's the controller in the SoC. This is neither surprising, nor worth litigating. It's something Apple themselves socialized over a year ago.
      - Toutouxc 3y ago
        > During every iPhone release for the last few years, they have used the previous-generation SoC for the non-Pro models iPhone 14 (last year) was AFAIK the first time they did this (non-pro iPhone 14 didn’t get a new SoC and kept the one used in ALL iPhone 13 models) and there was quite an uproar.
lazide 3y ago
Lightning (for its proprietary connector and slow USB) has personally been irritating me for something like a decade now. That they only switched when forced by the EU is sadly typical of them. That they then used this to market segment, so $800 phones still have USB speeds I expect from $15 junk I’d buy on Amazon? That’s just irritating.
- theshrike79 3y ago
  > That they only switched when forced by the EU is sadly typical of them. Apple promised 10 years of support for Lighting. They gave it that.
  - lazide 3y ago
    Trivially solvable by including an adapter. Which they do all the time anyway.
    - theshrike79 3y ago
      They also had to adapt to the EU regulation, which doesn't allow adapters =)
- sleepybrett 3y ago
  The design of the lightning plug is vastly superior to their other choices at the time, namely the 30pin dock connector they had been using and the only other obvious choice micro usb B, micro usb b is the most cursed connector in recent memory. It's fragile as fuck, I don't know how many of those fucking plugs I've replaced for friends in devices of all kinds. The lightning plug design on the other hand is as close to bulletproof as you can get for the size and number of connections. The only time someone has ever come to me with a problem with a lightning connector it's been quickly resolved by taking out some very fine tweezers and pulling a bit of lint or dirt out of the female connector.
  - lazide 3y ago
    If they’d swapped it out, oh I don’t know, 5 years ago. Or not required the EU stomp on them to switch, I’d be right there with you. Same with if they had modern speeds on their non-Pro models. They’re just being dicks now though.