20 ms·

USB 2.0 speeds over USB-C are common on low to midrange android phones as well.

by jacob019 3y ago

growse 3y ago
Low to midrange android phones are not £800.
- lukevp 3y ago
  They’re also not engineered to the standards of an iPhone either. The cost comes from somewhere… everyone has been fine paying for usb 2.0 speeds over lightning on even the pro max versions as recently as today because they’re still selling iphones. I get it, android phones have a better cost/benefit for you. Some people prefer the tradeoffs that Apple makes, like privacy, quality materials, a different OS, battery life, etc.
  - BoiledCabbage 3y ago
    > everyone has been fine paying for usb 2.0 speeds over lightning on even the pro max versions as recently as today because they’re still selling iphones Yes because they had no choice! Apple literally gave them no choice to select to use a 10 year old technology. Something that has been standard in Samsung Galaxy phones since 2017. Unless they were willing to give up an entire ecosystem they had invested thousands of dollars in have purchased apps, have their data stored everything. It's Stockholm syndrome. It's almost as bad as the comment above saying "yah it's reasonable to need to pay for the Pro version for USB 3.0"! And we all know if Apple had launched with USB 3.0 6 years before the competition and called it lightning 2.0, users old never stop talking about how necessary it is, and how Apple so incredibly caters to the needs of their users and how big a difference is it. I don't know how they do it, but that company gets people to blindly believe whatever they're told. And rationalize away any terrible decision. There is only one other consumer company that I've seen get away with that.
    - jacob019 3y ago
      I agree with what you're saying, yes Apple is a terrible value; but Apple customer's don't seem to care about that and I'm not sure if it's really cause for outrage. I also doubt that most customers will even notice the difference. It is quite rare that I connect a cable to a phone for data transfer, and when I do, if I have a 2.0 cable nearby I wouldn't bother reaching any further for a 3.0 cable, even if the phone supports the faster speeds. Even if I'm loading up some movies for a flight or something, practically speaking it's such a rare event that I would just initiate the transfer and grab a snack or something. It's pretty obvious why they did this, I'm not sure it's such a bad engineering decision really, to make the best of the silicon they already have. And for users who actually do care, the ones who are lurking on HN, they are compelled to spend more for the speed.
    - brokenmachine 3y ago
      They don't care about USB 2.0 because they're so brainwashed with crippled devices that they think that iCloud is necessary to get data from their phone to their PC. Drunk on kool aid.
      - turquoisevar 3y ago
        Yeah it must be the kool aid and not the fact that the average iPhone user barely ever transfers anything from their iPhone to a PC much less ever uses their cable for data transfer. I know more seniors that know their way around AirDrop (or things “magically” appearing on their desktop device via iCloud, unbeknownst to them) than people that even realize that the cable they use to charge their iPhone could also transfer data. Next you’re gonna tell me that they don’t care about Cat5 because they’re brainwashed to think WiFi is necessary to get internet.
        brokenmachine 3y ago
        And you're also brainwashed to think that the only way to get stuff from your phone to your PC wirelessly is via iCloud. I use SyncThing and it works fantastically, with no fees and no spying.
  - paulmd 3y ago
    it's crazy to me just how much fanboy wars have fallen into "products that I don't want to buy should be outlawed". especially in this android-vs-iphone arena.
  - tialaramex 3y ago
    > The cost comes from somewhere… Who said anything about cost? The profit accrues to Apple.
- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  Surely you can find a midrange Android phone with only USB 2.0 speeds for £800.
  - jacob019 3y ago
    I mean, if you try hard enough to find a terrible deal. Those are flagship prices in Android world.

USB 2.0 speeds over USB-C are common on low to midrange android phones as well.

growse 3y ago

Low to midrange android phones are not £800.

lukevp 3y ago
They’re also not engineered to the standards of an iPhone either. The cost comes from somewhere… everyone has been fine paying for usb 2.0 speeds over lightning on even the pro max versions as recently as today because they’re still selling iphones. I get it, android phones have a better cost/benefit for you. Some people prefer the tradeoffs that Apple makes, like privacy, quality materials, a different OS, battery life, etc.
- BoiledCabbage 3y ago
  > everyone has been fine paying for usb 2.0 speeds over lightning on even the pro max versions as recently as today because they’re still selling iphones Yes because they had no choice! Apple literally gave them no choice to select to use a 10 year old technology. Something that has been standard in Samsung Galaxy phones since 2017. Unless they were willing to give up an entire ecosystem they had invested thousands of dollars in have purchased apps, have their data stored everything. It's Stockholm syndrome. It's almost as bad as the comment above saying "yah it's reasonable to need to pay for the Pro version for USB 3.0"! And we all know if Apple had launched with USB 3.0 6 years before the competition and called it lightning 2.0, users old never stop talking about how necessary it is, and how Apple so incredibly caters to the needs of their users and how big a difference is it. I don't know how they do it, but that company gets people to blindly believe whatever they're told. And rationalize away any terrible decision. There is only one other consumer company that I've seen get away with that.
  - jacob019 3y ago
    I agree with what you're saying, yes Apple is a terrible value; but Apple customer's don't seem to care about that and I'm not sure if it's really cause for outrage. I also doubt that most customers will even notice the difference. It is quite rare that I connect a cable to a phone for data transfer, and when I do, if I have a 2.0 cable nearby I wouldn't bother reaching any further for a 3.0 cable, even if the phone supports the faster speeds. Even if I'm loading up some movies for a flight or something, practically speaking it's such a rare event that I would just initiate the transfer and grab a snack or something. It's pretty obvious why they did this, I'm not sure it's such a bad engineering decision really, to make the best of the silicon they already have. And for users who actually do care, the ones who are lurking on HN, they are compelled to spend more for the speed.
  - brokenmachine 3y ago
    They don't care about USB 2.0 because they're so brainwashed with crippled devices that they think that iCloud is necessary to get data from their phone to their PC. Drunk on kool aid.
    - turquoisevar 3y ago
      Yeah it must be the kool aid and not the fact that the average iPhone user barely ever transfers anything from their iPhone to a PC much less ever uses their cable for data transfer. I know more seniors that know their way around AirDrop (or things “magically” appearing on their desktop device via iCloud, unbeknownst to them) than people that even realize that the cable they use to charge their iPhone could also transfer data. Next you’re gonna tell me that they don’t care about Cat5 because they’re brainwashed to think WiFi is necessary to get internet.
      - brokenmachine 3y ago
        And you're also brainwashed to think that the only way to get stuff from your phone to your PC wirelessly is via iCloud. I use SyncThing and it works fantastically, with no fees and no spying.
- paulmd 3y ago
  it's crazy to me just how much fanboy wars have fallen into "products that I don't want to buy should be outlawed". especially in this android-vs-iphone arena.
- tialaramex 3y ago
  > The cost comes from somewhere… Who said anything about cost? The profit accrues to Apple.
seanmcdirmid 3y ago
Surely you can find a midrange Android phone with only USB 2.0 speeds for £800.
- jacob019 3y ago
  I mean, if you try hard enough to find a terrible deal. Those are flagship prices in Android world.