5 ms·

"only true for non-Pro" (i.e. anything < $1K), "a fair trade-off" "nothing to complained about" As someone whose most devices are USB-C 3.0+ for the past few y

• raisedbyninjas 3y ago
  USB3 is 15 years old and was common at least 10 years ago.
  • paulmd 3y ago
    And yet USB2 is still the baseline standard for the USB-C standard ratified less than 10 years ago, the standard that the EU mandated compliance to. If the EU wanted to outlaw USB2 phones it should have done that. But there would have been pushback from other vendors too - and rightly so.
• jacob019 3y ago
  USB 2.0 speeds over USB-C are common on low to midrange android phones as well.
  • growse 3y ago
    Low to midrange android phones are not £800.
    • lukevp 3y ago
      They’re also not engineered to the standards of an iPhone either. The cost comes from somewhere… everyone has been fine paying for usb 2.0 speeds over lightning on even the pro max versions as recently as today because they’re still selling iphones. I get it, android phones have a better cost/benefit for you. Some people prefer the tradeoffs that Apple makes, like privacy, quality materials, a different OS, battery life, etc.
      • BoiledCabbage 3y ago
        > everyone has been fine paying for usb 2.0 speeds over lightning on even the pro max versions as recently as today because they’re still selling iphones Yes because they had no choice! Apple literally gave them no choice to select to use a 10 year old technology. Something that has been standard in Samsung Galaxy phones since 2017. Unless they were willing to give up an entire ecosystem they had invested thousands of dollars in have purchased apps, have their data stored everything. It's Stockholm syndrome. It's almost as bad as the comment above saying "yah it's reasonable to need to pay for the Pro version for USB 3.0"! And we all know if Apple had launched with USB 3.0 6 years before the competition and called it lightning 2.0, users old never stop talking about how necessary it is, and how Apple so incredibly caters to the needs of their users and how big a difference is it. I don't know how they do it, but that company gets people to blindly believe whatever they're told. And rationalize away any terrible decision. There is only one other consumer company that I've seen get away with that.
        • jacob019 3y ago
          I agree with what you're saying, yes Apple is a terrible value; but Apple customer's don't seem to care about that and I'm not sure if it's really cause for outrage. I also doubt that most customers will even notice the difference. It is quite rare that I connect a cable to a phone for data transfer, and when I do, if I have a 2.0 cable nearby I wouldn't bother reaching any further for a 3.0 cable, even if the phone supports the faster speeds. Even if I'm loading up some movies for a flight or something, practically speaking it's such a rare event that I would just initiate the transfer and grab a snack or something. It's pretty obvious why they did this, I'm not sure it's such a bad engineering decision really, to make the best of the silicon they already have. And for users who actually do care, the ones who are lurking on HN, they are compelled to spend more for the speed.
        • brokenmachine 3y ago
          They don't care about USB 2.0 because they're so brainwashed with crippled devices that they think that iCloud is necessary to get data from their phone to their PC. Drunk on kool aid.
    • seanmcdirmid 3y ago
      Surely you can find a midrange Android phone with only USB 2.0 speeds for £800.
      • jacob019 3y ago
        I mean, if you try hard enough to find a terrible deal. Those are flagship prices in Android world.
• jancsika 3y ago
  Sure, with your 3.0+ devices you never need to think about speed, as you say. But how often do you really need to never think about speed? Apple is an enormous company with the best engineers in the business. So I trust they are delivering exactly what we never need in this case.
  • lazide 3y ago
    The cope is amazing.
    • 93po 3y ago
      While accurate there’s probably a nicer and more productive way to say this
      • lazide 3y ago
        Sometimes the flavor is so strong and original, all that one can do is burst out in amazement. I am merely human, after all.
  • Arainach 3y ago
    Presumably the same product team that decided we didn't need a headphone jack, as we could just buy more overpriced and profitable dongles and cables. If this was any other company they would be lambasted. Budget Android phones do USB-C 3.0 and have for years.
    • pmx 3y ago
      > Presumably the same product team that decided we didn't need a headphone jack, as we could just buy more overpriced and profitable dongles and cables. They were right. I haven't missed the headphone jack once. Bluetooth earphones are cheap and easy to come by, if you want premium sound you can buy an expensive set. The headphone jack was outdated and not needed. If you REALLY want a wired set, a dongle is <£10 from apple or <£5 from amazon. This is a stupid complaint.