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That is not a user-specified authority.

TheNewsIsHere 3y ago
I would also like this option. I see why Apple finds it undesirable though. Software installation safeguards are a game of whack-a-mole with (e.g.) support scammers who ask grandma/Lee-in-accounting/Cindy-next-door to naively click through all the warnings. The closest Apple comes to this capability is achieved via device Supervision and MDM, which might be comfortable for some of us here in this forum but obviously isn’t practical beyond more technical circles. Baddies keep ruining all the fun for the rest of us.
- cm2187 3y ago
  And being the only authority also happens to be conveniently aligned to their financial incentives.
- mschuster91 3y ago
  > Baddies keep ruining all the fun for the rest of us. IMHO the blame rather lies with our politicians who are unwilling to take the steps necessary to cut the baddies off from the Internet. Let's see just how fast India, Pakistan, Turkey and other scammer hotspots clean up their act when the US+EU threaten to cut them off from the Internet and SS7 unless the scam callcenters are closed down for good... the amount of corruption regularly exposed by scambaiters on Youtube is insane. Billions of dollars of damages each year [1] from that bullshit and our politicians don't. fucking. care. [1] https://www.vibesofindia.com/fraudsters-in-india-cost-americans-almost-10-billion-in-2022/ https://www.vibesofindia.com/fraudsters-in-india-cost-americ...
  - cto_of_antifa 3y ago
    they probably don't do it because it's a bad solution.
    - mschuster91 3y ago
      Is it? I prefer to tackle problems at the source, and its crystal clear that overseas scammers are exploiting corrupt local law enforcement in conjunction with easy access to targets via the Internet and shady telephone providers.
  - _23sd 3y ago
    I’m more than a little skeptical that scams would be less of a problem if specific countries cracked down on large operations. For one thing it’s not clear how you’d ever get the whole world on board. Pressuring India is hard enough, try Myanmar, a place that doesn’t get along with the West at all and is already a hotspot for phone scams targeting Chinese speakers. And if centralized, relatively open operations overseas were no longer possible, it would likely become more like other types of fraud run by local gangs. So I’m all for pressuring India to crack down on scammers, but I don’t see how that would reduce the desire to tighten software controls on PCs.
    - mschuster91 3y ago
      > For one thing it’s not clear how you’d ever get the whole world on board. You don't need the whole world. The Western world is enough - no Internet and phone service (both easily enforced by requiring providers to reject ASNs / phone country codes) means a lot of lost business for an affected country. > Pressuring India is hard enough, try Myanmar, a place that doesn’t get along with the West at all and is already a hotspot for phone scams targeting Chinese speakers. Honestly, that's China's problem to solve. > So I’m all for pressuring India to crack down on scammers, but I don’t see how that would reduce the desire to tighten software controls on PCs. When software vendors don't have to gate more and more features behind more and more obnoxious bullshit simply to whack-a-mole scammers, they won't.
- 10000truths 3y ago
  There is no Pareto optimal unicorn that provides both a democratized marketplace of software with low barriers to entry and an ironclad guarantee of security against compromise of personal user information. These two are fundamentally at odds. If anyone can produce and distribute software easily on a given platform, then so can people with malicious intent.

I would also like this option. I see why Apple finds it undesirable though. Software installation safeguards are a game of whack-a-mole with (e.g.) support scammers who ask grandma/Lee-in-accounting/Cindy-next-door to naively click through all the warnings. The closest Apple comes to this capability is achieved via device Supervision and MDM, which might be comfortable for some of us here in this forum but obviously isn’t practical beyond more technical circles. Baddies keep ruining all the fun for the rest of us.

cm2187 3y ago
And being the only authority also happens to be conveniently aligned to their financial incentives.
mschuster91 3y ago
> Baddies keep ruining all the fun for the rest of us. IMHO the blame rather lies with our politicians who are unwilling to take the steps necessary to cut the baddies off from the Internet. Let's see just how fast India, Pakistan, Turkey and other scammer hotspots clean up their act when the US+EU threaten to cut them off from the Internet and SS7 unless the scam callcenters are closed down for good... the amount of corruption regularly exposed by scambaiters on Youtube is insane. Billions of dollars of damages each year [1] from that bullshit and our politicians don't. fucking. care. [1] https://www.vibesofindia.com/fraudsters-in-india-cost-americans-almost-10-billion-in-2022/ https://www.vibesofindia.com/fraudsters-in-india-cost-americ...
- cto_of_antifa 3y ago
  they probably don't do it because it's a bad solution.
  - mschuster91 3y ago
    Is it? I prefer to tackle problems at the source, and its crystal clear that overseas scammers are exploiting corrupt local law enforcement in conjunction with easy access to targets via the Internet and shady telephone providers.
- _23sd 3y ago
  I’m more than a little skeptical that scams would be less of a problem if specific countries cracked down on large operations. For one thing it’s not clear how you’d ever get the whole world on board. Pressuring India is hard enough, try Myanmar, a place that doesn’t get along with the West at all and is already a hotspot for phone scams targeting Chinese speakers. And if centralized, relatively open operations overseas were no longer possible, it would likely become more like other types of fraud run by local gangs. So I’m all for pressuring India to crack down on scammers, but I don’t see how that would reduce the desire to tighten software controls on PCs.
  - mschuster91 3y ago
    > For one thing it’s not clear how you’d ever get the whole world on board. You don't need the whole world. The Western world is enough - no Internet and phone service (both easily enforced by requiring providers to reject ASNs / phone country codes) means a lot of lost business for an affected country. > Pressuring India is hard enough, try Myanmar, a place that doesn’t get along with the West at all and is already a hotspot for phone scams targeting Chinese speakers. Honestly, that's China's problem to solve. > So I’m all for pressuring India to crack down on scammers, but I don’t see how that would reduce the desire to tighten software controls on PCs. When software vendors don't have to gate more and more features behind more and more obnoxious bullshit simply to whack-a-mole scammers, they won't.
10000truths 3y ago
There is no Pareto optimal unicorn that provides both a democratized marketplace of software with low barriers to entry and an ironclad guarantee of security against compromise of personal user information. These two are fundamentally at odds. If anyone can produce and distribute software easily on a given platform, then so can people with malicious intent.