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>but that was a clear user error A user error that can happen to any user who isn't Linux savvy and just wants to paly games, and not learn how a package manag

>but that was a clear user error A user error that can happen to any user who isn't Linux savvy and just wants to paly games, and not learn how a package manager works, and that it can uninstall your desktop environment if you aren't proficient with Linux, is no user error but OS error. How many MacOS or Windows users expect that going through the installation steps of Steam, it can uninstall your desktop environment? For that user demographic, that is a clear OS issue.

pbhjpbhj 3y ago
There was a Steam package error, the error warned it might be temporary, the installer said it wouldn't continue because that would remove "popos-desktop" amongst other things. So, he opened a console (like any user?), then used apt-get ... which had a WARNING ... "This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing!". He then had to type "Yes, do as I say!" in order to "do something potentially harmful" ... and then, what a surprise it did something harmful! That's a user error that will only happen to people who are cocky, people who are idiots, or people trying to firm up their long held stance that 'Linux isn't for gaming'. I saw the LTT video the following day to release, loaded a VM up, installed Pop_OS (my first time) and installed Steam, no issues. Very simple. All button clicking. >going through the installation steps of Steam // That's mis-characterisation, he went through the Steam install steps (click install by the Steam icon), the OS told him there was an error and refused to do it. End. Then he went sudo-ing and ignoring warnings. "You can delete System32 this OS isn't ready for users!". You'll tell me now installs never fail on Windows, presumably, despite having experienced them myself.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  That would happen to any other user trying linux for the first time because not every user knows they should first update their packages before trying to install something because why doesn't the OS do it automatically like any other OS? It's 100% an OS UX error you're trying to spin into an user error.
  - pbhjpbhj 3y ago
    It's an application error (a transient error with Steam), MS Windows doesn't even offer general application updates.

pbhjpbhj 3y ago

There was a Steam package error, the error warned it might be temporary, the installer said it wouldn't continue because that would remove "popos-desktop" amongst other things. So, he opened a console (like any user?), then used apt-get ... which had a WARNING ... "This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing!". He then had to type "Yes, do as I say!" in order to "do something potentially harmful" ... and then, what a surprise it did something harmful! That's a user error that will only happen to people who are cocky, people who are idiots, or people trying to firm up their long held stance that 'Linux isn't for gaming'. I saw the LTT video the following day to release, loaded a VM up, installed Pop_OS (my first time) and installed Steam, no issues. Very simple. All button clicking. >going through the installation steps of Steam // That's mis-characterisation, he went through the Steam install steps (click install by the Steam icon), the OS told him there was an error and refused to do it. End. Then he went sudo-ing and ignoring warnings. "You can delete System32 this OS isn't ready for users!". You'll tell me now installs never fail on Windows, presumably, despite having experienced them myself.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
That would happen to any other user trying linux for the first time because not every user knows they should first update their packages before trying to install something because why doesn't the OS do it automatically like any other OS? It's 100% an OS UX error you're trying to spin into an user error.
- pbhjpbhj 3y ago
  It's an application error (a transient error with Steam), MS Windows doesn't even offer general application updates.