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Everyone should get a Covid booster this fall, CDC says

24 points by isaacfrond 3y ago

decremental 3y ago
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monsecchris 3y ago
The CDC says it’s safe and effective and that side effects are rare. I can’t find what their definition of rare is though, can anyone help me? https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/safety-of-vaccines.html#:~:text=COVID%2D19%20vaccines%20are%20safe,safety%20monitoring%20in%20US%20history https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/sa....
- blitzar 3y ago
  https://www.google.com/search?q=rare+side+effects+meaning https://www.google.com/search?q=rare+side+effects+meaning
  - monsecchris 3y ago
    I honestly can't find the CDC's definition of what "rare" means here even with your assistance.
    - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
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  - bitlax 3y ago
    Wouldn't a Google search for the word "vaccine" have returned different results over time?
- LogicalBorg 3y ago
  Yes, their page describing adverse events after vaccination has statistics on the rarity of events: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/ad... For example: > Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare. It has occurred at a rate of approximately 5 cases per one million vaccine doses administered. > Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare... Data from VSD and from VAERS indicate that rates of myocarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are highest among males in their late teens and early 20s, usually following the second dose of the vaccine. > Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) has been rarely observed after J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccination and has occurred in approximately 4 cases per one million doses administered.
rewmie 3y ago
I think it's well established by now that, much like the crackpot theories surrounding 5G, all the conspiracy theories surrounding Covid shots have been thoroughly debunked. With this in mind, why is a basic public health policy still a controversial subject?
- colordrops 3y ago
  Is it though? While we are just making sweeping statements without much in the way of references, I heard a doctor on NPR this morning saying that it won't have much benefit for people who are healthy and have immunity from previous infections and immunizations. So NPR and their guests are on the crackpot anti-vaxx bandwagon now?
  - monsecchris 3y ago
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    - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
      I’m trying to find the source for this comment and I’m coming up empty.
  - rewmie 3y ago
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  - ithkuil 3y ago
    > it won't have much benefit for people who are healthy and have immunity from previous This doesn't mean it's harmful does it? That said I wonder what the public health officials are trying to achieve here. Are they trying to encourage the largest number of people to be vaccinated, in the hole of slowing down the transmission? Or are they trying to just use a non-nuanced language ("everyone") in order to convey authority and avoid accidentally seeding doubt? Because if it's the latter, I don't think that works with the present generation. The more you push things the less people trust you. I guess things were different 80 years ago or so, but today people have lost trust in buricracy and totally trust the first lunatic they can find online. Is it hopeless?
okokwhatever 3y ago
"Everyone" is always too many people.
spidersenses 3y ago
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yungporko 3y ago
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iamnotsure 3y ago
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camillomiller 3y ago
As a staunch vaxxer: no thanks. had last covid in May, partner had it in August, both very fine and boosted for a while. I’ll get my usual flu shot tho, as that has proven multiple times to be as bad as it gets for me in November/December if I get the real influenza strain.
- boppo1 3y ago
  > no thanks. Good faith: why? What is your reasoning?
  - yungporko 3y ago
    i'm not the person you asked, but i developed a rare blood disorder called TTP (thrombotic thrombocytopenic purpura) that very nearly killed me after the vaccine. the hemotology consultant was very interested in my covid vaccination history when they figured out what was killing me. later found out that what i had was the clotting thing that was going around in the news that was supposed to be nothing to worry about. you know what didn't almost kill me? the 3 times i caught covid.
    - n8henrie 3y ago
      Which brand of the vaccine?
      - yungporko 3y ago
        i had the pfizer one
        n8henrie 3y ago
        Thanks for sharing. I would have guessed Johnson.
        yungporko 3y ago
        i'm not sure if we had that one here in the uk, but i heard the astrazeneca one was the worst one for it, no idea if that's true though
sBqQu3U0wH 3y ago
I developed heart arrhythmia some blood clotting issues (it's thicker than normal, despite how much water I drink) days after my Covid vaccination in 2021. I am not taking any more "boosters" and it's least of my problems now, anyway. While I am not saying that the intention's aren't good, I wish that the statement "safe and effective" actually meant something.
- rewmie 3y ago
  > I developed heart arrhythmia days after my Covid vaccination in 2021. So much for safe and effective. Covid shots are proven to be safe and effective, in spite of rare side-effects. Taken from here: https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/coronavirus-vaccine-your-questions-answered/myocarditis-and-covid-19-vaccines-should-you-be-worried https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-maga... > Is there a risk of cardiac arrest from the Covid vaccine? > No. There is no evidence that people are at an increased risk of cardiac arrest in the days or weeks following the Covid-19 vaccine. > (...) > Do other vaccines carry a risk of myocarditis? > Research published in The Lancet medical journal in April 2022 shows that there is no greater risk of developing heart inflammation after a Covid-19 vaccine than after other common vaccines, including the flu jab.
  - pleoxy 3y ago
    > No. There is no evidence that people are at an increased risk of cardiac arrest in the days or weeks following the Covid-19 vaccine. Plenty of people online say otherwise. Including right here on this story. Numerous young and previously healthy people with heart problems post vaccine. Personal accounts abound. When they bring it up to the experts who are suppose to be tracking this stuff, instead of listening to them and being concerned they are ignored, or gaslit. Apparently you don't have to enter it into evidence and tell people about it if you just ignore it. Confidence in medical science: extremely low.
    - rewmie 3y ago
      > Plenty of people online say otherwise. Including right here on this story. Numerous young and previously healthy people with heart problems post vaccine. Personal accounts abound. You can also find plenty people online saying vaccines include 5G microchips, the british royal family are lizard people, the world is flat, and that fossils are a ruse to shift the world's attention away from the existence of falling angels. > When they bring it up to the experts who are suppose to be tracking this stuff, instead of listening to them and being concerned they are ignored, or gaslit. I wonder why loonies expressing crackpot theories are ignored by the world. > Apparently you don't have to enter it into evidence and tell people about it if you just ignore it. It's quite amusing that you talk about evidence, as these loonies reiterating crackpot theories outright reject any evidence but somehow expect the world to blindly accept their baseless claims as indisputable facts.
htoihadfw2341 3y ago
In my experience I always get sick before the next vaccine rollout. They are always too late. The community jabbing also adds homogenized selective pressure so we get second wind infections in late winter. Kind of annoying.
iaaan 3y ago
Not trying to start an argument, but I see this headline and think: "sure, I'll get another booster." I'm confused seeing all the people in the comments saying they won't get another booster. Should I be considering not getting a booster? I don't feel like I'm familiar with any reason not to get one.
- netsharc 3y ago
  It seems to me at the bottom of it is faith. You either trust the science and numbers, believing they've been accurately compiled and that there's no unseen aspects (like "no long term effects", what if our current methods can't see everything?); or you're skeptical - Is it reasonable to be skeptical without grounds? But you can read all the anti-vax blogs and find out about botched vaccinations (not COVID). And when you start with a basis, you end up with evidence bias, ignoring things that disprove your beliefs ("I bet you they botched that study!"), and accepting (with delight and little scrutiny) things that prove your position to be right. Of course there are morons who said e.g. "all the vaxed will drop dead ny April 2022".. I wonder if the passage of time have humbled them.. some may even thing somebody's hiding all the dead bodies (which isn't that baseless because as far as I know China did that)
  - Gud 3y ago
    Don’t conflate these organizations(CDC, Pfizer, etc) with “science”. These are political and economical organizations foremost. Although I agree with your general point.
- boppo1 3y ago
  I was very much in the pro-vaccine/booster camp. Annoyed at people who were spreading disinfo about it. Didn't think twice about getting my second pfizer dose. I read a variety of studies on MRNA delivery mechanisms and their safety to reassure one of my parents. The morning after, I woke up to scary sharp chest pains that reverberated for a minute or so. This happened about 3-5 more times over the following days. It definitely wasn't psychosomatic as A. I wasn't worried in the first place and B. They hit while I was sleeping. I don't get chest pains normally and am in solid health with regular jogging. When I caught covid ~12 mo. later, it was a really bad flu, but it didn't cause any chest pains. Based on everything I've read, I ought to get one. But after the chest pain, I just can't do it. I'm afraid of it. It's a dilemma because my social set & family are very pro-vaccine and includes a few doctors & scientists. I don't know what I'll say to them. Obviously I can't really talk to other people online about similar experiences.
mharig 3y ago
For German speaking guys: https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/gesundheit-oekologie/harte-corona-abrechnung-eines-hausarztes-zeugnis-ablegen-von-verborgenem-leid-li.387366 https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/gesundheit-oekologie/harte-c...
uslic001 3y ago
I got a peripheral neuropathy and a left leg DVT from the first two Pfizer shots. There is no way I am taking a booster.

24 points by isaacfrond 3y ago

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The CDC says it’s safe and effective and that side effects are rare. I can’t find what their definition of rare is though, can anyone help me? https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/safety-of-vaccines.html#:~:text=COVID%2D19%20vaccines%20are%20safe,safety%20monitoring%20in%20US%20history https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/sa....

blitzar 3y ago
https://www.google.com/search?q=rare+side+effects+meaning https://www.google.com/search?q=rare+side+effects+meaning
- monsecchris 3y ago
  I honestly can't find the CDC's definition of what "rare" means here even with your assistance.
  - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
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- bitlax 3y ago
  Wouldn't a Google search for the word "vaccine" have returned different results over time?
LogicalBorg 3y ago
Yes, their page describing adverse events after vaccination has statistics on the rarity of events: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/ad... For example: > Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare. It has occurred at a rate of approximately 5 cases per one million vaccine doses administered. > Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare... Data from VSD and from VAERS indicate that rates of myocarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are highest among males in their late teens and early 20s, usually following the second dose of the vaccine. > Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) has been rarely observed after J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccination and has occurred in approximately 4 cases per one million doses administered.

rewmie 3y ago

I think it's well established by now that, much like the crackpot theories surrounding 5G, all the conspiracy theories surrounding Covid shots have been thoroughly debunked. With this in mind, why is a basic public health policy still a controversial subject?

colordrops 3y ago
Is it though? While we are just making sweeping statements without much in the way of references, I heard a doctor on NPR this morning saying that it won't have much benefit for people who are healthy and have immunity from previous infections and immunizations. So NPR and their guests are on the crackpot anti-vaxx bandwagon now?
- monsecchris 3y ago
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  - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
    I’m trying to find the source for this comment and I’m coming up empty.
- rewmie 3y ago
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- ithkuil 3y ago
  > it won't have much benefit for people who are healthy and have immunity from previous This doesn't mean it's harmful does it? That said I wonder what the public health officials are trying to achieve here. Are they trying to encourage the largest number of people to be vaccinated, in the hole of slowing down the transmission? Or are they trying to just use a non-nuanced language ("everyone") in order to convey authority and avoid accidentally seeding doubt? Because if it's the latter, I don't think that works with the present generation. The more you push things the less people trust you. I guess things were different 80 years ago or so, but today people have lost trust in buricracy and totally trust the first lunatic they can find online. Is it hopeless?

okokwhatever 3y ago

"Everyone" is always too many people.

spidersenses 3y ago

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yungporko 3y ago

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iamnotsure 3y ago

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camillomiller 3y ago

As a staunch vaxxer: no thanks. had last covid in May, partner had it in August, both very fine and boosted for a while. I’ll get my usual flu shot tho, as that has proven multiple times to be as bad as it gets for me in November/December if I get the real influenza strain.

boppo1 3y ago
> no thanks. Good faith: why? What is your reasoning?
- yungporko 3y ago
  i'm not the person you asked, but i developed a rare blood disorder called TTP (thrombotic thrombocytopenic purpura) that very nearly killed me after the vaccine. the hemotology consultant was very interested in my covid vaccination history when they figured out what was killing me. later found out that what i had was the clotting thing that was going around in the news that was supposed to be nothing to worry about. you know what didn't almost kill me? the 3 times i caught covid.
  - n8henrie 3y ago
    Which brand of the vaccine?
    - yungporko 3y ago
      i had the pfizer one
      - n8henrie 3y ago
        Thanks for sharing. I would have guessed Johnson.
        yungporko 3y ago
        i'm not sure if we had that one here in the uk, but i heard the astrazeneca one was the worst one for it, no idea if that's true though

sBqQu3U0wH 3y ago

I developed heart arrhythmia some blood clotting issues (it's thicker than normal, despite how much water I drink) days after my Covid vaccination in 2021. I am not taking any more "boosters" and it's least of my problems now, anyway. While I am not saying that the intention's aren't good, I wish that the statement "safe and effective" actually meant something.

rewmie 3y ago
> I developed heart arrhythmia days after my Covid vaccination in 2021. So much for safe and effective. Covid shots are proven to be safe and effective, in spite of rare side-effects. Taken from here: https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/coronavirus-vaccine-your-questions-answered/myocarditis-and-covid-19-vaccines-should-you-be-worried https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-maga... > Is there a risk of cardiac arrest from the Covid vaccine? > No. There is no evidence that people are at an increased risk of cardiac arrest in the days or weeks following the Covid-19 vaccine. > (...) > Do other vaccines carry a risk of myocarditis? > Research published in The Lancet medical journal in April 2022 shows that there is no greater risk of developing heart inflammation after a Covid-19 vaccine than after other common vaccines, including the flu jab.
- pleoxy 3y ago
  > No. There is no evidence that people are at an increased risk of cardiac arrest in the days or weeks following the Covid-19 vaccine. Plenty of people online say otherwise. Including right here on this story. Numerous young and previously healthy people with heart problems post vaccine. Personal accounts abound. When they bring it up to the experts who are suppose to be tracking this stuff, instead of listening to them and being concerned they are ignored, or gaslit. Apparently you don't have to enter it into evidence and tell people about it if you just ignore it. Confidence in medical science: extremely low.
  - rewmie 3y ago
    > Plenty of people online say otherwise. Including right here on this story. Numerous young and previously healthy people with heart problems post vaccine. Personal accounts abound. You can also find plenty people online saying vaccines include 5G microchips, the british royal family are lizard people, the world is flat, and that fossils are a ruse to shift the world's attention away from the existence of falling angels. > When they bring it up to the experts who are suppose to be tracking this stuff, instead of listening to them and being concerned they are ignored, or gaslit. I wonder why loonies expressing crackpot theories are ignored by the world. > Apparently you don't have to enter it into evidence and tell people about it if you just ignore it. It's quite amusing that you talk about evidence, as these loonies reiterating crackpot theories outright reject any evidence but somehow expect the world to blindly accept their baseless claims as indisputable facts.

htoihadfw2341 3y ago

In my experience I always get sick before the next vaccine rollout. They are always too late. The community jabbing also adds homogenized selective pressure so we get second wind infections in late winter. Kind of annoying.

iaaan 3y ago

Not trying to start an argument, but I see this headline and think: "sure, I'll get another booster." I'm confused seeing all the people in the comments saying they won't get another booster. Should I be considering not getting a booster? I don't feel like I'm familiar with any reason not to get one.

netsharc 3y ago
It seems to me at the bottom of it is faith. You either trust the science and numbers, believing they've been accurately compiled and that there's no unseen aspects (like "no long term effects", what if our current methods can't see everything?); or you're skeptical - Is it reasonable to be skeptical without grounds? But you can read all the anti-vax blogs and find out about botched vaccinations (not COVID). And when you start with a basis, you end up with evidence bias, ignoring things that disprove your beliefs ("I bet you they botched that study!"), and accepting (with delight and little scrutiny) things that prove your position to be right. Of course there are morons who said e.g. "all the vaxed will drop dead ny April 2022".. I wonder if the passage of time have humbled them.. some may even thing somebody's hiding all the dead bodies (which isn't that baseless because as far as I know China did that)
- Gud 3y ago
  Don’t conflate these organizations(CDC, Pfizer, etc) with “science”. These are political and economical organizations foremost. Although I agree with your general point.
boppo1 3y ago
I was very much in the pro-vaccine/booster camp. Annoyed at people who were spreading disinfo about it. Didn't think twice about getting my second pfizer dose. I read a variety of studies on MRNA delivery mechanisms and their safety to reassure one of my parents. The morning after, I woke up to scary sharp chest pains that reverberated for a minute or so. This happened about 3-5 more times over the following days. It definitely wasn't psychosomatic as A. I wasn't worried in the first place and B. They hit while I was sleeping. I don't get chest pains normally and am in solid health with regular jogging. When I caught covid ~12 mo. later, it was a really bad flu, but it didn't cause any chest pains. Based on everything I've read, I ought to get one. But after the chest pain, I just can't do it. I'm afraid of it. It's a dilemma because my social set & family are very pro-vaccine and includes a few doctors & scientists. I don't know what I'll say to them. Obviously I can't really talk to other people online about similar experiences.

mharig 3y ago

For German speaking guys: https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/gesundheit-oekologie/harte-corona-abrechnung-eines-hausarztes-zeugnis-ablegen-von-verborgenem-leid-li.387366 https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/gesundheit-oekologie/harte-c...

uslic001 3y ago

I got a peripheral neuropathy and a left leg DVT from the first two Pfizer shots. There is no way I am taking a booster.