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Initial reaction : cool! Subsequently: I am going to stop buying this stuff. I dont care about protecting the cartel, and want to punish them for this sort of b

by acyou 3y ago

Initial reaction : cool! Subsequently: I am going to stop buying this stuff. I dont care about protecting the cartel, and want to punish them for this sort of behavior.

delfinom 3y ago
In the EU, many foods fall under protected labeling law and it goes well beyond Parmesan and italy. I'm personally all for it, fuck the waste they sell in the US such as wood pulp with cheese flavoring sold as Parmesan.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > fuck the waste they sell in the US such as wood pulp with cheese flavoring sold as Parmesan The Parmesan they make in Wisconsin is closer to the cheese they made in Parma a hundred years ago than today’s Parmiggiano Reggiano [1]. Italy went through in a decade, after WWII, the wealth expansion Britain did over a century in its Industrial Revolution. A lot of “classic” Italian culture is carryover from America, e.g. carbonara, or modern mythology. [1] https://www.ft.com/content/6ac009d5-dbfd-4a86-839e-28bb44b2b64c https://www.ft.com/content/6ac009d5-dbfd-4a86-839e-28bb44b2b...
  - kasey_junk 3y ago
    I suspect the commenter was thinking of 'grated parmesan' that is typically sold by Kraft at grocery stores in a green can. The quality Wisconsin Parmesan's are usually very very good, served in wheels or chunks like quality Reggiano (though as you mention a slightly different cheese to Parmiggiano Reggiano) and I don't know of anyone, Italian or otherwise that would describe them as 'wood pulp with cheese flavoring'.
- anon4242 3y ago
  Some years ago I was at a vineyard in Burgundy harvesting grapes that were sent to Champagne to be turned into Champagne (the sparkling wine). It's interesting how the labeling law can be misused when it suites the champions of the specific label...
theamk 3y ago
You like counterfeit foods? This "cartel" does not care about others making same cheese even using the same recipe, they just care about protecting the name. For example Kraft sells their own version of parmesan in EU without any problems, they just call it "Pamesello" In other words, it's not a patent, it's a trademark. Those are much more acceptable IMHO, and are often good.
- 14 3y ago
  Sounds like they are gatekeeping to me. Anyone can make vodka and sell it as what ever brand they want. Sounds like these guys don’t want anyone making Parmasan cheese which is a type of cheese not a brand. Why can’t someone make Ben or Jerry’s Parmesan cheese? If it tastes better then the original stuff then so be it let the market decide - or are they a cartel controlling who sells what by means of coercion and laws stacked against anyone who tries to enter the market?
  - petre 3y ago
    It's not Parmigiano Reggiano unless it's made in a specific region, just like Champagne sparkling wine or Hungarian Palinka fruit brandy. Just call it whatever you want and let the market decide. One can also call it Parmesan outside the EU without getting sued. https://www.forbes.com/sites/larryolmsted/2012/11/19/the-dark-side-of-parmesan-cheese-what-you-dont-know-might-hurt-you/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/larryolmsted/2012/11/19/the-dar...
    - strbean 3y ago
      What's wrong with establishing a governing body to give it's seal of approval, and letting consumers rely on that? If we had DOPs from the outset, we'd have a huge number of extra names for the non-regional versions of foods. Additionally, Italian regulatory bodies are well known for not giving a shit about the products that are exported from Italy, so getting the certified "real thing" isn't a good indicator that, for example, your olive oil is even real olive oil.
      - deleted 3y ago
neuralRiot 3y ago
When the carbon footprint of hard cheese is 10x that of milk per pound the best you can do is completely ditch cheese specially when it is a useless food seasoning.

by acyou 3y ago

Initial reaction : cool! Subsequently: I am going to stop buying this stuff. I dont care about protecting the cartel, and want to punish them for this sort of behavior.

delfinom 3y ago

In the EU, many foods fall under protected labeling law and it goes well beyond Parmesan and italy. I'm personally all for it, fuck the waste they sell in the US such as wood pulp with cheese flavoring sold as Parmesan.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> fuck the waste they sell in the US such as wood pulp with cheese flavoring sold as Parmesan The Parmesan they make in Wisconsin is closer to the cheese they made in Parma a hundred years ago than today’s Parmiggiano Reggiano [1]. Italy went through in a decade, after WWII, the wealth expansion Britain did over a century in its Industrial Revolution. A lot of “classic” Italian culture is carryover from America, e.g. carbonara, or modern mythology. [1] https://www.ft.com/content/6ac009d5-dbfd-4a86-839e-28bb44b2b64c https://www.ft.com/content/6ac009d5-dbfd-4a86-839e-28bb44b2b...
- kasey_junk 3y ago
  I suspect the commenter was thinking of 'grated parmesan' that is typically sold by Kraft at grocery stores in a green can. The quality Wisconsin Parmesan's are usually very very good, served in wheels or chunks like quality Reggiano (though as you mention a slightly different cheese to Parmiggiano Reggiano) and I don't know of anyone, Italian or otherwise that would describe them as 'wood pulp with cheese flavoring'.
anon4242 3y ago
Some years ago I was at a vineyard in Burgundy harvesting grapes that were sent to Champagne to be turned into Champagne (the sparkling wine). It's interesting how the labeling law can be misused when it suites the champions of the specific label...

theamk 3y ago

You like counterfeit foods? This "cartel" does not care about others making same cheese even using the same recipe, they just care about protecting the name. For example Kraft sells their own version of parmesan in EU without any problems, they just call it "Pamesello" In other words, it's not a patent, it's a trademark. Those are much more acceptable IMHO, and are often good.

14 3y ago
Sounds like they are gatekeeping to me. Anyone can make vodka and sell it as what ever brand they want. Sounds like these guys don’t want anyone making Parmasan cheese which is a type of cheese not a brand. Why can’t someone make Ben or Jerry’s Parmesan cheese? If it tastes better then the original stuff then so be it let the market decide - or are they a cartel controlling who sells what by means of coercion and laws stacked against anyone who tries to enter the market?
- petre 3y ago
  It's not Parmigiano Reggiano unless it's made in a specific region, just like Champagne sparkling wine or Hungarian Palinka fruit brandy. Just call it whatever you want and let the market decide. One can also call it Parmesan outside the EU without getting sued. https://www.forbes.com/sites/larryolmsted/2012/11/19/the-dark-side-of-parmesan-cheese-what-you-dont-know-might-hurt-you/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/larryolmsted/2012/11/19/the-dar...
  - strbean 3y ago
    What's wrong with establishing a governing body to give it's seal of approval, and letting consumers rely on that? If we had DOPs from the outset, we'd have a huge number of extra names for the non-regional versions of foods. Additionally, Italian regulatory bodies are well known for not giving a shit about the products that are exported from Italy, so getting the certified "real thing" isn't a good indicator that, for example, your olive oil is even real olive oil.
    - deleted 3y ago

neuralRiot 3y ago

When the carbon footprint of hard cheese is 10x that of milk per pound the best you can do is completely ditch cheese specially when it is a useless food seasoning.