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What do you even use usb data transfer for? I have only ever used it for development which was quick enough with Lightning (also usb 2.0)

ulkesh 3y ago
Whatever I please. It's irrelevant what I may use it or not use it for. The point is that the technology now is far past USB 2 (and has been for some time despite Apple's persistence on using Lightning with such slower speeds) and the only reason they have for not putting USB 3 in the 15s (non-Pro) is greed. They were forced by the EU to convert to USB-C, so it looks to me as if they did the absolute minimal amount of work and effort to be any more consumer-friendly than they have to be.
- gpt5 3y ago
  You are attributing malice, but they explained things pretty clearly in the presentation. They are reusing the SoC of the 14 pro in the 15 (as they always do), which doesn't support USB 3. On the 15 pro they have support for USB 3, and you can bet it will propagate down the iPhone line next year.
  - r00fus 3y ago
    The state of the current extraction-based economy is such that you have to differentiate Apple's greed (less cutting edge usually, costs more) vs Google's greed (wants to track you all the time). I'd rather the up-front greed that may force me to pay for a Pro model rather than the ongoing & increasing greed.
  - Dylan16807 3y ago
    Maybe not "malice" exactly, but Apple has been obnoxiously anti-USB-3 on iPhones for many years. Not only could they have planned ahead for the port change, they could have been supporting it over the lightning port. It was especially bad when they added prores without a way to offload footage at a reasonable speed. And there probably is an element of spite where they don't want the upgrade to USB 3 to come too directly aligned with the USB C switch.
darren_ 3y ago
You can still backup iPhones to your desktop instead of iCloud. At least for now.
- r00fus 3y ago
  Unless you simply don't trust Apple's security promises (in which case why are you using Apple devices), iCloud backup is now E2EE encrypted [1]. A bit of wringing to turn it on, but totally worthwhile. [1] https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303
  - zorrotorro 3y ago
    Why would one even bother with that when you have like... a cable at hand and disk space. Though recently simple things as copying files have been a challenge.
    - pertymcpert 3y ago
      You still need to back up your disk somewhere right? Disks age and fail.
      - Aerbil313 3y ago
        Related, but why phone disks don’t age and fail? Simply because of low r/w?
        pertymcpert 3y ago
        I think they do, but my guess is that most people don't keep their phones long enough for that to be the reason to stop using the phone. Usually the phones get damaged/lost/too slow to run modern apps etc.
      - zorrotorro 3y ago
        You backup the disk to more disks. Isn't that how it's done?
prepend 3y ago
I use it for backing up and restoring my phone to disk. It takes forever with these big drives so transfer rate is really nice. I don’t do it frequently, but when I do I want it to take as short a time as possible.

ulkesh 3y ago

Whatever I please. It's irrelevant what I may use it or not use it for. The point is that the technology now is far past USB 2 (and has been for some time despite Apple's persistence on using Lightning with such slower speeds) and the only reason they have for not putting USB 3 in the 15s (non-Pro) is greed. They were forced by the EU to convert to USB-C, so it looks to me as if they did the absolute minimal amount of work and effort to be any more consumer-friendly than they have to be.

gpt5 3y ago
You are attributing malice, but they explained things pretty clearly in the presentation. They are reusing the SoC of the 14 pro in the 15 (as they always do), which doesn't support USB 3. On the 15 pro they have support for USB 3, and you can bet it will propagate down the iPhone line next year.
- r00fus 3y ago
  The state of the current extraction-based economy is such that you have to differentiate Apple's greed (less cutting edge usually, costs more) vs Google's greed (wants to track you all the time). I'd rather the up-front greed that may force me to pay for a Pro model rather than the ongoing & increasing greed.
- Dylan16807 3y ago
  Maybe not "malice" exactly, but Apple has been obnoxiously anti-USB-3 on iPhones for many years. Not only could they have planned ahead for the port change, they could have been supporting it over the lightning port. It was especially bad when they added prores without a way to offload footage at a reasonable speed. And there probably is an element of spite where they don't want the upgrade to USB 3 to come too directly aligned with the USB C switch.

darren_ 3y ago

You can still backup iPhones to your desktop instead of iCloud. At least for now.

r00fus 3y ago
Unless you simply don't trust Apple's security promises (in which case why are you using Apple devices), iCloud backup is now E2EE encrypted [1]. A bit of wringing to turn it on, but totally worthwhile. [1] https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303
- zorrotorro 3y ago
  Why would one even bother with that when you have like... a cable at hand and disk space. Though recently simple things as copying files have been a challenge.
  - pertymcpert 3y ago
    You still need to back up your disk somewhere right? Disks age and fail.
    - Aerbil313 3y ago
      Related, but why phone disks don’t age and fail? Simply because of low r/w?
      - pertymcpert 3y ago
        I think they do, but my guess is that most people don't keep their phones long enough for that to be the reason to stop using the phone. Usually the phones get damaged/lost/too slow to run modern apps etc.
    - zorrotorro 3y ago
      You backup the disk to more disks. Isn't that how it's done?

prepend 3y ago

I use it for backing up and restoring my phone to disk. It takes forever with these big drives so transfer rate is really nice. I don’t do it frequently, but when I do I want it to take as short a time as possible.