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Show HN: Rental data supplied by tenants in Ireland, searchable by all
I created https://www.howmuchrent.com https://www.howmuchrent.com last Friday to help bring this kind of transparency to Ireland, allowing people to submit their rents. Would love to get any HN feedback on the idea/website.
- GenericDev 3y ago[flagged]
- dang 3y agoCould you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. You may not owe rampant capitalistic behaviour better, but you owe this community better if you're participating in it. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful. Edit: actually, given https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37484857 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37484857, I think we need to ban this account until we get some indication that you want to use the site as intended.
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- messe 3y agoThis overly simplifies things, especially in regards to Ireland's housing market, and ignores the fact that our construction sector is still yet to recover after the 2008 crash. Housing as an investment, combined with piss-poor government policy, have certainly not helped things though.
- falcor84 3y agoThis is about Ireland, but I'm curious whether there is any country in the world that does require this sort of transparency.
- freitzkriesler2 3y agoYou can get a rough idea of what similar rents are for an area by going to redfin or Zillow and setting your filter parameters accordingly. Doesn't Ireland have a similar saas service?
- anotherhue 3y agohttps://daft.ie/ https://daft.ie/
- BlackjackCF 3y agoNot that I’m aware of, though it would be nice. I get why though. I moved to Dublin from the US (from an expensive part of California) and I was shocked by the rent. It was more expensive than apartments I was paying for in the US, but Irish software wages are a fraction of what you’d get in the US.
- elictronic 3y agoI am a little surprised by this. Are you sure you were comparing similiar styles and areas. Looking around online Dublin looks to be 26% cheaper than San Francisco. Rent for a single person is quite a bit lower and even rent for a family shows it to be lower but not by as much? I just glanced at https://livingcost.org/cost/dublin/san-francisco https://livingcost.org/cost/dublin/san-francisco so not sure how accurate those style calculators are and is the cause of my questioning your statement.
- shevlinn 3y agoThe conditions of some properties in Dublin are abominable. My friend paid $1000 a month for a 70sq foot room with no windows or ventilation, in a 3 bed house with a single bathroom. Most new grad's going in to SWE from a top university in the country would be making on average 38k annual after tax. If you're irish, there's no point putting yourself through the misery of living in Dublin. You can just go live in London, or work remote and live anywhere in the EU.
- JamesBarney 3y agoThis might backfire. Large scale landlords and would be tenants are both pretty familiar with the market. The only people not familiar with the market are mom and pop landlords who tend to not update rent with changing market conditions. This increased transparency might cause them to raise rents because it'd be easier to do comps, and they wouldn't previously undercharging a tenant to make it harder to find a new tenant at a higher price.
- BlackjackCF 3y agoI don’t know how true this is anymore. Apps like Zillow, Apartments.com and the like make it very easy for even small-time landlords to figure out what the market is.
- Enginerrrd 3y agoI honestly think Zillow IS a market inefficiency. It's bad enough that it can't be relied on at local scales, yet ubiquitous enough that I think it pushes the market around a bit and has made prices stickier than they should be. It overvalues poorly maintained houses and probably undervalues well-maintained ones. Not sure how much it really helps with price discovery...
- richiebful1 3y agoIt's not that hard to figure out what people are charging for a similar unit today, especially in a larger market where a high percentage of listings are online. Some mom and pop landlords (including myself) prioritize for having sustainable, enjoyable tenants. The gold standard is a tenant who requires little upkeep, pays on time, and stays for a long time. I won't increase the rent on tenants who are easy to work with. If a new prospective tenant asked why the price is going up, I'd explain that it's the going market rate, and they're welcome to find another place. I doubt transparency would change anything when listing prices are already public and rarely negotiable
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago> mom and pop landlords If one was looking for such a landlord, what should they be looking for on the listing? Is there a common place where you might choose to list a rental that's not as frequently used by big players?
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- anotherhue 3y agoI moved from Dublin to NYC. Yes the rents here are insane, but there are places to rent! There is often zero availability in Irish cities.
- gottorf 3y agoZero availability would indicate either severe supply shortages due to an inability to build (zoning/regulatory problems a la some municipalities in the US? Something else?) or a price ceiling on rent, leading to an inability for the market to clear (with the equilibrium price being above the legal ceiling). Do you know which applies? As an outsider, it would seem that Ireland has plenty of land on which to build, though the availability of building materials is another matter, and is something I can see Ireland being short on.
- astrange 3y agoIreland and the UK have the worst planning processes in the world leading to worse housing crises than even California. Having zoning would imply that it's legal to do something somewhere, which it basically isn't. In particular the Irish think their island is full of "nature" (when it's actually open fields because the British deforested all of it) and become ecofascists when you suggest any of it could be a building. (Or just regular ones since they think you'll want to put African immigrants in the building. Someone suggested this on Twitter last week and I've never seen so many replies afraid of "Somalis".) This is why more Irish live in America than in Ireland and the population is lower than it was in the 1800s.
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- dang 3y agohttps://www.howmuchrent.com/ https://www.howmuchrent.com/ is a better post for HN than a political opinion piece like https://labour.ie/news/2023/06/28/why-is-the-government-so-afraid-of-transparency-for-renters/ https://labour.ie/news/2023/06/28/why-is-the-government-so-a... so I've changed the URL from that. Readers: earlier comments are in response to that other link so you might want to look at both.
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- metaphor 3y agoHave you caught anyone attempting to poison the well yet?
- Ecstatify 3y agoThe rent in Ireland is insane for the quality you get. My GF and I are currently living in my parents house. Collectively we earn ~€200K. New homes are in limited supply. Existing homes are poor quality but demand has increased the prices dramatically. We were looking at a new development and they increased the price by €80K. For a lot of people owning a home is becoming unrealistic.
- CalRobert 3y agoWe did a new build and the planners were a bunch of fossils who were horrified by the idea we didn't want a mouldy pile of concrete blocks. After we built it, the neighbours marveled at how warm a timber home could be - and beautiful. We ended up moving to the Netherlands but remarkably there were so many homes for rent compared to Ireland it felt easy. I'm in a 5 bedroom house a 20 minute train ride from Amsterdam Centraal for about the price of a 4 bed semi-d in Tullamore. And I don't need a car here. Ireland's a mess.
- ericmcer 3y agoThis seems like a global phenomenon. What is happening? Is this related to globalization? It feels wrong to blame any countries internal policies when it seems to be happening in every country simultaneously.
- quacked 3y agoThe rate of immigration to developed countries far outpaces the rate of building new dwellings in developed countries. Net growth YoY for places like the US, Canada, UK, Australia all tell the same story. Several traditionally less-developed countries are also seeing the rural hinterlands drain and immense internal migration to urban areas.
- denismi 3y agoSo we tested this in Australia. We shut our borders suddenly and unexpectedly for two years, going from a long-run rate of over 1% net immigration to negative overnight. Meanwhile, we kept development approval and construction going largely unperturbed. Our housing market responded with a two year long bull-run. As convenient as it is to blame immigrants, I don't think it's true.
- vinnyglennon 3y agoCulver City, USA made an attempt at displaying Rents charged by landlords: https://medium.com/@hughfitzgerald/rents-charged-by-landlords-should-be-made-public-lets-start-with-culver-city-d224b7740b06 https://medium.com/@hughfitzgerald/rents-charged-by-landlord...
- wiredfool 3y agoLittle bug -- Legend says Green is renting, blue is sharing, but the map and the popups on the map are the other way around.
- vinnyglennon 3y agoThank you. I added a legend to the map to make it clearer a few minutes ago, can't spot the error. If you still say the text error, let me know. Renamed "Share Your Rent" to "Add Your Rent" to avoid confusion too.
- wiredfool 3y agoSorry, it wasn't the legend, it was in the tag line. But it's gone now, so all good.
- vinnyglennon 3y agoAwesome. Any more feedback on the website, please do let me know. Open to any suggestions, best way to improve.
- CalRobert 3y agoFor what it's worth, I've been crawling Daft (Ireland's main rental and buying site) for several years. If you click on a property you'll see nearby listing history for both rentals and purchases, including asking rents. https://gaffologist.com/ https://gaffologist.com/
- anotherhue 3y agoThis is magnificent, thank you.
- adriancooney 3y agoI love your site, I use it all the time and recommend it to all my friends. Thank you. Do you offer historical exports of data? I’d love to create some visualisations of the housing situation in Ireland over time.
- vinnyglennon 3y agoThis is very impressive, work of art!
- CalRobert 3y agoThanks! If only I had a way to turn it in to my job...
- ck1000 3y agoHave they ever contacted you about potentially breaching their terms of service? https://support.daft.ie/hc/en-ie/articles/5127313728273-Terms-and-Conditions-of-use-of-Daft#8 https://support.daft.ie/hc/en-ie/articles/5127313728273-Term...
- Heloseaa 3y agoGreat work! This will actually be something very helpful to a lot of people! I am curious how you gathered so much user input in the short time this project has been alive ? Where did you prospect for more users to input ? and especially, how do you validate that the inputs are valid and not fake inputs and/or spams ?
- andrewstuart 3y agoMake it global.
- mparnisari 3y agoHi OP! Question, it says "source: user / daft". What is 'daft'? Might want to add a info popup for non-Irish :) Also, the site says "Rental Data supplied by Tenant" but I see user: 3, daft: 453. So... it's not real tenant info right? Most of it comes from rental listings?
- anotherhue 3y agoNot OP but it's a fairly dominant property search service in IE https://daft.ie/ https://daft.ie/
- sperr11 3y agoAwesome work. A similar registry is being worked on in Canada by the Vivre en Ville non-profit organisation (it is currently only available for Ontario and Quebec residents) : https://rentalregistry.ca/en/bumper https://rentalregistry.ca/en/bumper
- SoftMachine 3y agoI don't like how I have to guess which article the comments are in response to, is this dark pattern copied from amazon product reviews or what is the deal with HN these days?
- slater 3y agoFYI I (and I'd think most folks) don't have the Roboto font installed, so everything's Times New Roman, here. Latest Firefox, latest macOS.
- krm01 3y agoThis is an intriguing project you've got here — clearly, there's utility in what you've built. I'd like to offer some constructive insights as a UI & UX designer. Header: Consider refining the top nav. Placing the title/logo to the left and the notification icon alongside buttons on the top-right creates a sense of spatial balance. Shrinking the search field and centering it would not only economize space but also mitigate the initial impression that it's an intrusive advertisement. Body: A slight reconfiguration can go a long way. Situate filters to the left and the map to the right to capitalize on users' muscle memory from interacting with similar interfaces. Use Inter (Google Fonts) for a cleaner look. If you want to avoid Google Fonts, just go with Verdana. User Interaction: Your attempts to clarify map submissions suggest the current UX leaves room for improvement. A single, dedicated 'Submit Location' button leading to a streamlined modal or page can make the process more intuitive. It eliminates the need for repeated explanations scattered throughout the page. Promotion: The 'Help Us Spread the Word' section risks being mistaken for an ad. Focus on optimizing the core experience; a compelling product naturally invites sharing. Listing: Optimize space utilization in the list view. Presenting three cards side-by-side allows for easier scanning. Implementing a toggle for card and list views could be a user-friendly addition. Overall, you've done commendable work. The key lies in fine-tuning the details to make the interface not just functional, but easier to use.
- YeBanKo 3y agoThis is a great project! Are there any stopgaps to prevent malicious data entry?
- gigatexal 3y agoThis is a fantastic project and site. I 100% support it. It’d be awesome if we had more transparency in prices for many things. In fact I’m leaving my current job in a month or so and when I do I plan on sharing all of my compensation details and raise percentages the lot with all my colleagues. They should know and be able to benchmark their salaries against mine. One feature that might be nice is being able to search by some metrics like square meters, number of room, bathrooms, etc and see aggregate stats on that. Median rent, high low etc.
- voxelghost 3y agoMap is buggy, especially filtering of included nodes within the map boundary when zoomed in and panning, causing nodes(pins) to appear/disappear randomly. As a more minor nit; It is also a bit annoying that the initial view doesn't show all of Ireland, and it is not possible to zoom out enough fit it.