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So? Windows not even that.

Ygg2 3y ago
Huh? I've yet to meet someone that encountered Window audio not working, barring some hardware/firmware issue. In Linux land. I am constantly fighting OS to do the most trivial things.
- donkeybeer 3y ago
  I've yet to encounter a case where Linux audio is not working. Thats because just like windows, I buy hardware where the manufacturer helps write Linux drivers. I don't financially support hardware makers who don't care about me and buy from those who do, simple as. Also hardware companies should be happy if people are trying to reverse engineer their devices to get a working driver: It menas people want to use it. Instead of trying to further lock down or obfuscate their devices they should be happy and help these folks. They are doing free work for your company.
  - mschuster91 3y ago
    > Instead of trying to further lock down or obfuscate their devices they should be happy and help these folks. They are doing free work for your company. They are, but legally the situation is way less clear for companies: - for anything involving RF communication, allowing unauthorized/unverified selection of stuff like wifi country codes can lead to illegal RF emissions - low level assistance may touch stuff that's nominally under NDAs and expose the company to legal risk - anything involving "jailbreaking" may lead to issues with DRM As a result, the official policy often is "no one touches code or helps people from outside, corporate legal doesn't want to get Oracle'd".
    - donkeybeer 3y ago
      As I said all that does is further push me to only buy from companies that support my os. I have mixed feelings about people reverse engineering hostile hardware. It helps those who mistakenly bought that hardware esp as an onramp for Windows users who just bought whatever laptop. And it's always useful to keep reverse engineering skills shrap. But on the other hand you are just helping someone who hates you, the best way to play the game is to not play it.
- rf15 3y ago
  Personal anecdote: Windows Update has a habit of resetting microphone frequency settings, causing problems if Windows and connected professional hardware suddenly speak "different languages". This is strictly an OS-level issue, since no driver has been changed and the hw config and behaviour has not been changed either.
  - eliasmacpherson 3y ago
    It's not just you, you will find most if not all vendors of external audio devices for Windows will have a tech support page saying you have to hit 'reset defaults' after Windows Update if it chooses to change Sample Rate, default device etc. Windows often changes the settings for internal Realtek devices, too. Windows Update can set unusable settings irrespective of whether vendor drivers are used or class compliant Microsoft supplied ones. That is not to say that Linux is any better.
- _ugfj 3y ago
  There's a small but loud crowd which insists on using Linux as their daily driver on modern laptops despite this makes very little sense. https://xkcd.com/619/ https://xkcd.com/619/ is just as true today as it was near fifteen years ago, it's just today it would be streaming from various services (especially in high resolution). I have also struggled with Bluetooth, multifunctional devices and weird enterprise networks. For people who do not enjoy fighting their computers, Windows + WSL is just a smoother experience. Leave the Linux kernel for headless devices: routers, servers etc. It excels there.
  - donkeybeer 3y ago
    Bluetooth, audio, etc works fine in the machines I use, because the manufacturer helps the development of Linux drivers. The real question is why are you buying hardware from companies that dislike you and your os?
  - rebolek 3y ago
    Thank you for your opinion, Microsoft sales person.
    - chx 3y ago
      I have been using Linux since 1993 but sure.
  - matkoniecz 3y ago
    > despite this makes very little sense Avoiding Bing reward lottery spam in notifications from OS alone is worth it for me. > https://xkcd.com/619/ https://xkcd.com/619/ This is quite ironic given that I am more likely to use 2048 CPU machine than playing full screen Flash videos.
    - chx 3y ago
      you have a 2048 core laptop?
      - 3y ago
- mschuster91 3y ago
  > I've yet to meet someone that encountered Window audio not working, barring some hardware/firmware issue Hit that with an All-in-one-PC thing of a friend two years ago, had to reinstall Windows after some issue with malware. Sound didn't work because the driver from Windows Update was generic, you'd need the years-old version from the manufacturer installed first (as it contained the pin mapping somewhere in the bloatware that came with the driver). Fun fact, Ubuntu also didn't make sounds, I thought the speakers were busted and was already thinking about bringing a 'scope with me next time. Why pin mapping of audio chips can't be stored in an SPI chip or ACPI table is beyond me.
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- pfyra 3y ago
  Oh, I have so much issues with audio in Teams on windows. Spotify works fine and I can hear the sound when connecting a call or meeting but then the audio is out. Or the mic. You never really know which one will cause problems. Replaced the BT speaker that caused problems for years but usb mic+audio seem just vaguely better.
- jraph 3y ago
  > I've yet to meet someone that encountered Window audio not working Let alone on Mars.
- moqmar 3y ago
  My Dell laptop with Windows didn't recognize any headphones or headsets, until I tried 3 different drivers from 3 different vendor websites. Applications mess with volume settings constantly unless you know which checkbox to uncheck, at work we have a speakerphone where with some laptops you can't understand anything at all, and so on. Windows is not better here in any way, in my experience during normal day-to-day use it is actually worse than Linux audio.
- orbital-decay 3y ago
  Any setup with a bit more complexity than "playing audio from a single app without regards to latency" can be terribly janky and unpredictable in Windows, especially if it's multithreaded or running along some other CPU/IO-heavy app. Audio engineers and streamers know well what I'm talking about.

Ygg2 3y ago

Huh? I've yet to meet someone that encountered Window audio not working, barring some hardware/firmware issue. In Linux land. I am constantly fighting OS to do the most trivial things.

donkeybeer 3y ago
I've yet to encounter a case where Linux audio is not working. Thats because just like windows, I buy hardware where the manufacturer helps write Linux drivers. I don't financially support hardware makers who don't care about me and buy from those who do, simple as. Also hardware companies should be happy if people are trying to reverse engineer their devices to get a working driver: It menas people want to use it. Instead of trying to further lock down or obfuscate their devices they should be happy and help these folks. They are doing free work for your company.
- mschuster91 3y ago
  > Instead of trying to further lock down or obfuscate their devices they should be happy and help these folks. They are doing free work for your company. They are, but legally the situation is way less clear for companies: - for anything involving RF communication, allowing unauthorized/unverified selection of stuff like wifi country codes can lead to illegal RF emissions - low level assistance may touch stuff that's nominally under NDAs and expose the company to legal risk - anything involving "jailbreaking" may lead to issues with DRM As a result, the official policy often is "no one touches code or helps people from outside, corporate legal doesn't want to get Oracle'd".
  - donkeybeer 3y ago
    As I said all that does is further push me to only buy from companies that support my os. I have mixed feelings about people reverse engineering hostile hardware. It helps those who mistakenly bought that hardware esp as an onramp for Windows users who just bought whatever laptop. And it's always useful to keep reverse engineering skills shrap. But on the other hand you are just helping someone who hates you, the best way to play the game is to not play it.
rf15 3y ago
Personal anecdote: Windows Update has a habit of resetting microphone frequency settings, causing problems if Windows and connected professional hardware suddenly speak "different languages". This is strictly an OS-level issue, since no driver has been changed and the hw config and behaviour has not been changed either.
- eliasmacpherson 3y ago
  It's not just you, you will find most if not all vendors of external audio devices for Windows will have a tech support page saying you have to hit 'reset defaults' after Windows Update if it chooses to change Sample Rate, default device etc. Windows often changes the settings for internal Realtek devices, too. Windows Update can set unusable settings irrespective of whether vendor drivers are used or class compliant Microsoft supplied ones. That is not to say that Linux is any better.
_ugfj 3y ago
There's a small but loud crowd which insists on using Linux as their daily driver on modern laptops despite this makes very little sense. https://xkcd.com/619/ https://xkcd.com/619/ is just as true today as it was near fifteen years ago, it's just today it would be streaming from various services (especially in high resolution). I have also struggled with Bluetooth, multifunctional devices and weird enterprise networks. For people who do not enjoy fighting their computers, Windows + WSL is just a smoother experience. Leave the Linux kernel for headless devices: routers, servers etc. It excels there.
- donkeybeer 3y ago
  Bluetooth, audio, etc works fine in the machines I use, because the manufacturer helps the development of Linux drivers. The real question is why are you buying hardware from companies that dislike you and your os?
- rebolek 3y ago
  Thank you for your opinion, Microsoft sales person.
  - chx 3y ago
    I have been using Linux since 1993 but sure.
- matkoniecz 3y ago
  > despite this makes very little sense Avoiding Bing reward lottery spam in notifications from OS alone is worth it for me. > https://xkcd.com/619/ https://xkcd.com/619/ This is quite ironic given that I am more likely to use 2048 CPU machine than playing full screen Flash videos.
  - chx 3y ago
    you have a 2048 core laptop?
    - 3y ago
mschuster91 3y ago
> I've yet to meet someone that encountered Window audio not working, barring some hardware/firmware issue Hit that with an All-in-one-PC thing of a friend two years ago, had to reinstall Windows after some issue with malware. Sound didn't work because the driver from Windows Update was generic, you'd need the years-old version from the manufacturer installed first (as it contained the pin mapping somewhere in the bloatware that came with the driver). Fun fact, Ubuntu also didn't make sounds, I thought the speakers were busted and was already thinking about bringing a 'scope with me next time. Why pin mapping of audio chips can't be stored in an SPI chip or ACPI table is beyond me.
- deleted 3y ago
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pfyra 3y ago
Oh, I have so much issues with audio in Teams on windows. Spotify works fine and I can hear the sound when connecting a call or meeting but then the audio is out. Or the mic. You never really know which one will cause problems. Replaced the BT speaker that caused problems for years but usb mic+audio seem just vaguely better.
jraph 3y ago
> I've yet to meet someone that encountered Window audio not working Let alone on Mars.
moqmar 3y ago
My Dell laptop with Windows didn't recognize any headphones or headsets, until I tried 3 different drivers from 3 different vendor websites. Applications mess with volume settings constantly unless you know which checkbox to uncheck, at work we have a speakerphone where with some laptops you can't understand anything at all, and so on. Windows is not better here in any way, in my experience during normal day-to-day use it is actually worse than Linux audio.
orbital-decay 3y ago
Any setup with a bit more complexity than "playing audio from a single app without regards to latency" can be terribly janky and unpredictable in Windows, especially if it's multithreaded or running along some other CPU/IO-heavy app. Audio engineers and streamers know well what I'm talking about.