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Your selling points are the opposite of Discord and Slack's selling points. Slack login is entirely corporate controlled. Discord just works with one login acro

Your selling points are the opposite of Discord and Slack's selling points. Slack login is entirely corporate controlled. Discord just works with one login across communities. These products are not popular in spite of their terrible privacy patterns, they are popular because of characteristics that intrinsically have terrible privacy patterns.

colordrops 3y ago
Would should people who want to have productive group chat with privacy use then?
- rakoo 3y ago
  Any client/server based app for a company-controlled replacementt The server manages rights and auth. Anything that accept OIDC or is federated for the second. Matrix doesn't totally fit the bill yet, but zulip does, so that's what you should install. But the one that surprisingly seems to be the best is probably email. We don't have the proper MUAs yet, but deltachat (https://delta.chat https://delta.chat) shows that there is no reason for us to be limited to decades-old paradigms and should reinvent ourselves.
  - komali2 3y ago
    What is a MUA? All results consider it "makeup artist."
    - rakoo 3y ago
      "Mail User Agent". The name is a parallel to browsers who also are called "User Agents"
      - komali2 3y ago
        Thanks. Offtopic, but this is the second time in a week the person who answered my question gets downvoted (if that's what the reduction in contrast of your post indicates). I'm not sure why that's happening.
_8j50 3y ago
Why can't the login be corporate controlled for Quiet?
jona-f 3y ago
I think they are aware. Let the corporate crapsters do their thing and let us have our thing. To me, a community that relies on discord or slack is a red flag. I would really like something like this to become the default instead. Long live irc!
- hardware2win 3y ago
  Irc? That privacy nightmare giving IPs?
  - Bu9818 3y ago
    You can hide it from other users by using a cloak (which some servers enforce on all connections), if that's a concern (but I don't think it's much of a concern). If you want some anonymity from both the server and users you're probably already connecting to the server from Tor (or maybe a VPN if it's blocked). OTOH discord is difficult/impossible to use from Tor Browser due to phone number requirements on suspicious connections and email verification when changing countries, which sucks.
    - jona-f 3y ago
      Yes, and on top of that i don't have to use a javascript enabled browser or some proprietary app, instead i can chose between many minimal and foss irc clients.
    - hardware2win 3y ago
      Discord is centralized which makes it safer than self hosted solutions
      - mrusme 3y ago
        LastPass is centralized, which makes it safer than self-hosted sol.. oh, well, never mind. :-)
        hardware2win 3y ago

colordrops 3y ago

Would should people who want to have productive group chat with privacy use then?

rakoo 3y ago
Any client/server based app for a company-controlled replacementt The server manages rights and auth. Anything that accept OIDC or is federated for the second. Matrix doesn't totally fit the bill yet, but zulip does, so that's what you should install. But the one that surprisingly seems to be the best is probably email. We don't have the proper MUAs yet, but deltachat (https://delta.chat https://delta.chat) shows that there is no reason for us to be limited to decades-old paradigms and should reinvent ourselves.
- komali2 3y ago
  What is a MUA? All results consider it "makeup artist."
  - rakoo 3y ago
    "Mail User Agent". The name is a parallel to browsers who also are called "User Agents"
    - komali2 3y ago
      Thanks. Offtopic, but this is the second time in a week the person who answered my question gets downvoted (if that's what the reduction in contrast of your post indicates). I'm not sure why that's happening.

_8j50 3y ago

Why can't the login be corporate controlled for Quiet?

jona-f 3y ago

I think they are aware. Let the corporate crapsters do their thing and let us have our thing. To me, a community that relies on discord or slack is a red flag. I would really like something like this to become the default instead. Long live irc!

hardware2win 3y ago
Irc? That privacy nightmare giving IPs?
- Bu9818 3y ago
  You can hide it from other users by using a cloak (which some servers enforce on all connections), if that's a concern (but I don't think it's much of a concern). If you want some anonymity from both the server and users you're probably already connecting to the server from Tor (or maybe a VPN if it's blocked). OTOH discord is difficult/impossible to use from Tor Browser due to phone number requirements on suspicious connections and email verification when changing countries, which sucks.
  - jona-f 3y ago
    Yes, and on top of that i don't have to use a javascript enabled browser or some proprietary app, instead i can chose between many minimal and foss irc clients.
  - hardware2win 3y ago
    Discord is centralized which makes it safer than self hosted solutions
    - mrusme 3y ago
      LastPass is centralized, which makes it safer than self-hosted sol.. oh, well, never mind. :-)
      - hardware2win 3y ago