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Where can I get black market dishwashers that use three times as much energy and water for my new build? I've already manually removed all of the flow reducer
by sneak 3y ago
Where can I get black market dishwashers that use three times as much energy and water for my new build?
I've already manually removed all of the flow reducer bottlenecks in my showerheads.
If you want me to use less water or power, tax it more, don't render my appliances nonfunctional. Alternately, heavily tax the inefficient machines so they aren't cost effective for normal consumers/builders.
I really hate how poorly modern appliances work.
- fortran77 3y agoWhen I had my bathroom redone, the contractor offered to set me up with an "illegal toilet" smuggled in from Mexico that uses more water per flush.
- bradknowles 3y agoBetter quality toilets from Toto and other well-regarded brands can do so much more, with so much less water. You just need to be willing to spend the money on the better brand equipment.
- Dylan16807 3y agoIt's a piece of ceramic, why do you need a better brand to work right?
- bunabhucan 3y agoThey make ones that "store" house tap pressure water and can flush with more force.
- bradknowles 3y agoWith improved (and patented) design, they can flush much better. And they have better coatings on the ceramic, so that your "output" washes off much easier, and doesn't stick to the walls so easily. The modern tests for toilets are much tougher than the old tests, and the best modern toilets will pass with flying colors on those tougher modern tests. Older toilets, and lesser quality toilets, can't hold a candle to the kind of performance you are able to get with the better and more modern toilets. Toto is just one example. They're not the only one with top performing toilets. You can look on Consumer Reports to see the tests they run, and which toilets do well on those tests.
- dtnewman 3y agoYou would think so, yet I notice big differences between toilets’ ability to flush well.
- superseeplus 3y agoThe high efficiency toilets use less water but higher pressure which means they still work quite well. Apparently they still make toilets which use the old design but still use less water. They have to be flushed a few times though. I assume they are significantly cheaper because why else would an ex-landlord have installed that in my apartment back when I was renting?
- amluto 3y agoWhy? The US has had (roughly) four kinds of toilet: 1. The old 5 gallon per flush kind. Didn’t clog all that often. Flushed very very slowly. Contributed to downstream clogs because the outflow was insufficient to get the solids flowing well through the pipes. 2. The early lower-water-consuming kind. These were awful. Replace them if you have one! 3. Modern toilets. They use 1.28-0.8 gallons per flush, they rarely clog, and they don’t tend to clog the pipes downstream. They are generally quite good. 4. Flushometer toilets. They are often messy - they flush loudly and spray water around. Eww. Why go backwards? Modern toilets are tested for their ability to flush well: https://map-testing.com/ https://map-testing.com/
- massysett 3y agoI can confirm this. My house had cheap low-flush toilets that were absolutely horrible. They clogged daily and were difficult to plunge and I began storing a bucket near every toilet so I could efficiently carry out the routine plunging sessions. I was hesitant to buy new toilets because I figured they’re all low-flush, so what difference would it make? I found a top-reviewed model on Home Depot and it made a huge difference. Went from everyday clogs to a clog maybe once every few months. I replaced all my toilets and it’s the best home upgrade I ever did.
- giardini 3y agoYeah! Have an acquaintance, whom I'll call "Big Shit", whose feces were so voluminous that they required custom (i.e., high-volume, larger diameter) toilets and enlarging the sewer line in the house. Big Shit's oriental wife has broadcast his productivity to all of his friends, much to our amusement and disgust. Certain asians, unlike Americans, are not at all shy about discussing their (and their spouses') bathroom experiences in excruciating detail.
- tomatocracy 3y agoOddly enough, dual flush toilets may have ended up leading to more water use at a macro level to the point that water companies are pushing to have them banned in the UK. They have a common fault which means they can continuously leak water without emptying the cistern (so the owner never notices).
- rjmunro 3y agoAlso I never know which button to press. Sometimes the big button is the one to press because UX people say it's the most visible, so that produces the smaller flush. If you want a bigger flush, use the smaller button. Sometimes (more logically) big button = big flush. With a single control, it's more commonly hold for short flush, release for long flush, which is just madness.
- Izkata 3y agoThere's another style: Push the lever down for a standard large flush, pull it up for a small flush.
- ChumpGPT 3y agoCommercial Units don't give a fuck about water and energy. They cost more but will last 20 years plus.
- thsksbd 3y agoAnd some units will do the dishes in minutes :)
- notatoad 3y agoi believe those are sterlizers, not dishwashers. you need to do a thorough pre-wash before loading dishes into them. a domestic dishwasher is designed to be used by any idiot, and without following any real procedure. they also release steam in quantities that will have negative effects in a kitchen that wasn't built to withstand that. commercial appliances are meant to be used in commercial kitchens with commercial ventilation.
- eru 3y agoCommercial dishwasher are meant to be used immediately after your meal. So nothing has time to really dry up and stick on. Domestic dishwashers are designed to deal with plates sitting around for the few days it might take a small household to fill them up before running.
- ChumpGPT 3y agoMany old units required pre-wash, newer units now advertise that you can get rid of pre-wash, saving time and money.
- exmadscientist 3y agoJust buy a Miele dishwasher. They actually work and they work well. No need to bother with black-market or "vintage" or commercial stuff. Just pay the high price (ok, it's all relative) and enjoy never having to care about this crap again. Source: owned too many dishwashers over the last decade. Paid money to make problem go away and to my surprise it actually did.
- eru 3y agoWe have a Miele dishwasher (and washing machine). It works really well, but it's not magic. Eg it still benefits from adding a bit of powder in the special compartment that opens immediately (or alternatively, directly in the body of the dishwasher). You also have to clean the Miele's dirt trap every once in a while. I'm informed American dishwashers have different arrangements that don't need cleaning?
- bunabhucan 3y agoIt has a filter with a spinning blade slightly in front of it - a macerator - that chops up pieces of food until they are small enough to fit through the holes. https://photos.smugmug.com/Appliantology/Kitchenaid-Dishwasher/117417445091866a15co/1192075944_vb7ys-S.jpg https://photos.smugmug.com/Appliantology/Kitchenaid-Dishwash...
- function_seven 3y agoIn the US, the dishwasher discharge hose is often piped into the garbage disposal unit under the sink. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garbage_disposal_unit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garbage_disposal_unit Looks like those units are really uncommon in Europe.
- eru 3y agoAlso uncommon in Asia and Australia.
- function_seven 3y ago