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Can anyone more familiar with the subject let us know around what year of manufacturing in cars did this trend start? I don't particularly want to keep driving

Can anyone more familiar with the subject let us know around what year of manufacturing in cars did this trend start? I don't particularly want to keep driving a petrol car, but seriously don't want this crap either.. I might just keep my 2010 alive as long as I can.

DANmode 3y ago
We must create the demand for true-hybrid conversion kits for the type of vehicles you have in mind.
bsenftner 3y ago
2016 model year for Subaru was the last year they did not have all this data gathering. 2018 for most American made cars.
- ysavir 3y ago
  That's good to know. I bought a 2015 Subaru just a year ago. Any chance you can share your source so that I can feel complete comfort about the data privacy of my car?
  - bsenftner 3y ago
    Subaru; I posed as an internal developer and contacted a few of their software groups inquiring about their internal utilities. The systems they use now were not in place until the 2017 model year.
lloeki 3y ago
A quick litmus test would be any car that is able to connect to the internet or to a manufacturer app on a smartphone. My car (Honda EDM) is 2018 and is - if we want to make lousy parallels - essentially a "dumb phone". Sadly I will have to get rid of it and buy an electric or plug-in hybrid due to legislation. The only way not to get my soul sucked in would be to keep it airgapped, if that's even possible. The whole situation is an all too perfect example of "if they can do it, they will": the moment there was an upstream link manufacturers jumped on the occasion to mass-enshitify their cars. Of note, Mazda is conspicuously absent from the report, I would have been quite curious about their stance here given they were among the rare ones resisting the virtual-knobs-on-a-big-screen move.
- TedDoesntTalk 3y ago
  > Sadly I will have to get rid of it and buy an electric or plug-in hybrid What jurisdiction is forcing you to replace your ICE car with an electric or hybrid?
  - lloeki 3y ago
    France. Crit'air is gearing up in highly polluted major cities subject to LEZ, with accelerated calendars to comply with emissions regulations. Mine is ranked tier 2 (EURO V petrol) and will be forbidden to drive starting January 2025. The only ones allowed will be tier 1 (EURO VI petrol) and tier 0 (EV and PHEV). There's no calendar yet for tier 1, but I'm sure as hell not going to buy a tier 1 car and find myself in the same spot of having a perfectly maintained and efficient car with a lot of mileage remaining that I can't resell or have to scrap in 3-5 years when (PH)EVs will be the only ones allowed.
- jkap 3y ago
  I drive a top trim 2021 Mazda 6 and as far as I can tell it doesn't even have any sort of bidirectional data transmission outside of the standard Sirius XM traffic/weather/whatever systems. The internal GPS doesn't even work right since i declined to buy the $400 map pack (carplay is more than good enough for me). I haven't read any privacy policies yet, but my hunch is that there's nothing that bad in them, especially since I'm not even sure how they'd get the data off beyond a dealer service.
  - css 3y ago
    You can buy a Navigation SD card from Amazon or Ebay for under $50 and update it with their free (as in gratis) tool: https://mazda.welcome.naviextras.com/how-to-update.php https://mazda.welcome.naviextras.com/how-to-update.php
ct0 3y ago
The rollout of 5g has allowed many many more connected devices per tower. Id say they are related.
porkbeer 3y ago
Started to get bad around 2008, and quickly spread and got worse.

DANmode 3y ago

We must create the demand for true-hybrid conversion kits for the type of vehicles you have in mind.

bsenftner 3y ago

2016 model year for Subaru was the last year they did not have all this data gathering. 2018 for most American made cars.

ysavir 3y ago
That's good to know. I bought a 2015 Subaru just a year ago. Any chance you can share your source so that I can feel complete comfort about the data privacy of my car?
- bsenftner 3y ago
  Subaru; I posed as an internal developer and contacted a few of their software groups inquiring about their internal utilities. The systems they use now were not in place until the 2017 model year.

lloeki 3y ago

A quick litmus test would be any car that is able to connect to the internet or to a manufacturer app on a smartphone. My car (Honda EDM) is 2018 and is - if we want to make lousy parallels - essentially a "dumb phone". Sadly I will have to get rid of it and buy an electric or plug-in hybrid due to legislation. The only way not to get my soul sucked in would be to keep it airgapped, if that's even possible. The whole situation is an all too perfect example of "if they can do it, they will": the moment there was an upstream link manufacturers jumped on the occasion to mass-enshitify their cars. Of note, Mazda is conspicuously absent from the report, I would have been quite curious about their stance here given they were among the rare ones resisting the virtual-knobs-on-a-big-screen move.

TedDoesntTalk 3y ago
> Sadly I will have to get rid of it and buy an electric or plug-in hybrid What jurisdiction is forcing you to replace your ICE car with an electric or hybrid?
- lloeki 3y ago
  France. Crit'air is gearing up in highly polluted major cities subject to LEZ, with accelerated calendars to comply with emissions regulations. Mine is ranked tier 2 (EURO V petrol) and will be forbidden to drive starting January 2025. The only ones allowed will be tier 1 (EURO VI petrol) and tier 0 (EV and PHEV). There's no calendar yet for tier 1, but I'm sure as hell not going to buy a tier 1 car and find myself in the same spot of having a perfectly maintained and efficient car with a lot of mileage remaining that I can't resell or have to scrap in 3-5 years when (PH)EVs will be the only ones allowed.
jkap 3y ago
I drive a top trim 2021 Mazda 6 and as far as I can tell it doesn't even have any sort of bidirectional data transmission outside of the standard Sirius XM traffic/weather/whatever systems. The internal GPS doesn't even work right since i declined to buy the $400 map pack (carplay is more than good enough for me). I haven't read any privacy policies yet, but my hunch is that there's nothing that bad in them, especially since I'm not even sure how they'd get the data off beyond a dealer service.
- css 3y ago
  You can buy a Navigation SD card from Amazon or Ebay for under $50 and update it with their free (as in gratis) tool: https://mazda.welcome.naviextras.com/how-to-update.php https://mazda.welcome.naviextras.com/how-to-update.php

ct0 3y ago

The rollout of 5g has allowed many many more connected devices per tower. Id say they are related.

porkbeer 3y ago

Started to get bad around 2008, and quickly spread and got worse.