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All of the opening statements that I quoted suggest that the FAA performed an investigation and are forcing SpaceX to perform 63 remediations before they can re

All of the opening statements that I quoted suggest that the FAA performed an investigation and are forcing SpaceX to perform 63 remediations before they can resume their test campaign. To be fair, this is suggested by the FAA press statement as well. However, digging trivially deeper, you learn this is not what happened. A more honest headline/opening lines would read something like: "FAA Accepts SpaceX Mishap Investigation Report; SpaceX proposes 63 corrective actions; FAA conditions launch license on successful implementation of SpaceX plan." As far as providing the actual story later in the articles, I find that's still intellectually dishonest after the initial misleading characterization. It's similar to publishing a factually incorrect hit piece on the top of page one, and then later a retraction on page 4 once it's found out.

refulgentis 3y ago
That is an _out there_ reading of it. Note I've seen the opposite argument: that the headlines are honest but the body copy is dishonest: i.e. I've seen just as many people make the argument that it's unfair that FAA is forcing this, and turning a checklist into disciplinary action, and the media is helping cover it up by framing it as voluntary.
- sbuttgereit 3y ago
  Huh? Here's the NYT article's title: "F.A.A. Spells Out Needed Fixes for SpaceX’s Starship Rocket" Did the FAA spell out needed fixes or agree with SpaceX's assessment? Let's review the letter... "The FAA has been provided with sufficient information and accepts the root causes and corrective actions described in the mishap report." And __I__ have an out there reading?! Plain English: The NYT, in their headline (the first thing people see) says the FAA spells out needed fixes. However the FAA in their letter to SpaceX says that the FAA accepts the corrective actions presented in the mishap report authored by SpaceX. And that was the most objective of the headlines I quoted. And as for Bloomberg? "SpaceX Ordered by FAA to Make Fixes After Starship Blowup : -- FAA blames ‘multiple root causes’ for flawed Starship launch -- SpaceX must apply for, receive FAA license modification" I'm sorry, it's simply disingenuous to call that the more representative statement of what actually happened in light of the letter that the FAA authored. The statement, "FAA blames ‘multiple root causes’ for flawed Starship launch" comes close to crossing the line of simply not being truthful.... in terms of implication it's a long way off from the FAA accepting the root causes and corrective actions in SpaceX's report. As far as the "I've seen just as many people make the argument..." statement. At best its a non-statement which on its face cannot help us understand anything factual here; truth isn't a popularity contest. There are many wrong people in this world and I can say with great confidence that in this discussion there is at least one wrong person. (I will let anyone eavesdropping make that judgment for themselves, as we're clearly not trying to convince each other of the correctness of our respective positions. :-) )
  - refulgentis 3y ago
    I don't disagree that fevered sweaty rants about persecution can be justified, I am pointing out to you they can (and are) being justified in either direction, thus showing they are fevered sweaty rants.

refulgentis 3y ago

That is an _out there_ reading of it. Note I've seen the opposite argument: that the headlines are honest but the body copy is dishonest: i.e. I've seen just as many people make the argument that it's unfair that FAA is forcing this, and turning a checklist into disciplinary action, and the media is helping cover it up by framing it as voluntary.

sbuttgereit 3y ago
Huh? Here's the NYT article's title: "F.A.A. Spells Out Needed Fixes for SpaceX’s Starship Rocket" Did the FAA spell out needed fixes or agree with SpaceX's assessment? Let's review the letter... "The FAA has been provided with sufficient information and accepts the root causes and corrective actions described in the mishap report." And __I__ have an out there reading?! Plain English: The NYT, in their headline (the first thing people see) says the FAA spells out needed fixes. However the FAA in their letter to SpaceX says that the FAA accepts the corrective actions presented in the mishap report authored by SpaceX. And that was the most objective of the headlines I quoted. And as for Bloomberg? "SpaceX Ordered by FAA to Make Fixes After Starship Blowup : -- FAA blames ‘multiple root causes’ for flawed Starship launch -- SpaceX must apply for, receive FAA license modification" I'm sorry, it's simply disingenuous to call that the more representative statement of what actually happened in light of the letter that the FAA authored. The statement, "FAA blames ‘multiple root causes’ for flawed Starship launch" comes close to crossing the line of simply not being truthful.... in terms of implication it's a long way off from the FAA accepting the root causes and corrective actions in SpaceX's report. As far as the "I've seen just as many people make the argument..." statement. At best its a non-statement which on its face cannot help us understand anything factual here; truth isn't a popularity contest. There are many wrong people in this world and I can say with great confidence that in this discussion there is at least one wrong person. (I will let anyone eavesdropping make that judgment for themselves, as we're clearly not trying to convince each other of the correctness of our respective positions. :-) )
- refulgentis 3y ago
  I don't disagree that fevered sweaty rants about persecution can be justified, I am pointing out to you they can (and are) being justified in either direction, thus showing they are fevered sweaty rants.