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If it weren't for the salt, I'd expect them be using locally sourced water. They are not deliberately adding any contaminants to the water, just heating it with

If it weren't for the salt, I'd expect them be using locally sourced water. They are not deliberately adding any contaminants to the water, just heating it with flames from burning methane. It should be relatively harmless, but we'll see if there's a show stopper soon.

justapassenger 3y ago
Hot water is a huge environmental hazard. So is water with unknown contamination.
- IshKebab 3y ago
  Hot water is a huge environmental hazard? Riiiight. Maybe from a nuclear power station. Not from this.
  - justapassenger 3y ago
    Get an aquarium, and pour in some boiling hot water into it. Let me know how many creatures survive. Also USA news from literally just few weeks ago - https://apnews.com/article/florida-ocean-heat-climate-coral-record-bfc3010460eb077fc14d53a6f768931d https://apnews.com/article/florida-ocean-heat-climate-coral-... Environments are much more fragile than you think.
    - IshKebab 3y ago
      SpaceX isn't pouring boiling water into an aquarium. Get a lake. Pour some lukewarm water into it. Let me know how many creatures survive. > Also USA news from literally just few weeks ago That is the entire ocean heating up. I think you're getting a bit confused about the thermodynamics.
      - justapassenger 3y ago
        Even few degrees can mess with the environment. So yes, lukewarm water can totally mess with a lake ecosystem, if you happen to pour it in the right place. Will it kill the whole lake? No. But life that happens to be at the spot where you poured the water? Dumping chemicals is also fine, as long as they aren’t strong enough to kill everything in the lake? And spacex launch site is literally surrounded by protected lands, that were there long before their site. Will spacex kill some protected life nearby? We don’t know. But let’s not pretend that dumping hot water is safe. And that news is about parts near Florida reaching reef threatening levels. Based on your reasoning it’s fine, as only reefs near Florida were impacted, ocean is fine, so what’s the big deal, right? It’s really stunning to me, that spacex fans, whose mission is to basically “safe humanity” care so little about the environment, that you know, humanity needs to live.
        IshKebab 3y ago
        > Will it kill the whole lake? No. But life that happens to be at the spot where you poured the water? Unless it's very hot (like over 50C) I doubt that would be affected much, and even if it is, so what? I don't think the goal is zero deaths. A few insects and some algae dying does not matter. The main thing to prevent would be toxic chemicals getting into the environment because unlike hot water they can have long term effects. > care so little about the environment I care about things that actually affect the environment. If you cared so much about it you'd spend more time worrying about actual issues. > Based on your reasoning it’s fine, as only reefs near Florida were impacted, ocean is fine, so what’s the big deal, right? Ok you really don't understand the scales involved here. Go and look up how much energy is involved in heating the Florida ocean by one degree, and compare that to the energy heating all the water from the deluge system by 100C. It's 1.3 million litres apparently.
        justapassenger 3y ago
        > I doubt that would be affected much, and even if it is, so what? I don't think the goal is zero deaths So thank you for finally agreeing. Hot water is dangerous. No one says goal is zero deaths. But brushing over it, "oh, just some things will die" especially if you're talking about wildlife preserve is oil baron type of argument. > I care about things that actually affect the environment. If you cared so much about it you'd spend more time worrying about actual issues. You care about things that affect part of the environment you care about, right? Other environments - that's their problem? You know that EPA considers heated water a hazard, right? > Ok you really don't understand the scales involved here. Go and look up how much energy is involved in heating the Florida ocean by one degree, and compare that to the energy heating all the water from the deluge system by 100C. It's 1.3 million litres apparently. I don't believe you argue in good faith, if you don't understand why I brought this example, and try to make it sounds, that unless spacex heats the water to 100C, then it's ok. Bye, it's not worth my time.
TaylorAlexander 3y ago
At a minimum there’s probably also going to be soot, particles of burned engine metals, and trace impurities from the fuel. Protected land isn’t the place you normally go dumping _anything_.
- bryanlarsen 3y ago
  ATV's also leave those things, and they're allowed in the area.
  - TaylorAlexander 3y ago
    I can’t comment on the comparability of air emissions to water emissions for this environment. Just pointing out that it’s more than pure methane combustion byproducts.

justapassenger 3y ago

Hot water is a huge environmental hazard. So is water with unknown contamination.

IshKebab 3y ago
Hot water is a huge environmental hazard? Riiiight. Maybe from a nuclear power station. Not from this.
- justapassenger 3y ago
  Get an aquarium, and pour in some boiling hot water into it. Let me know how many creatures survive. Also USA news from literally just few weeks ago - https://apnews.com/article/florida-ocean-heat-climate-coral-record-bfc3010460eb077fc14d53a6f768931d https://apnews.com/article/florida-ocean-heat-climate-coral-... Environments are much more fragile than you think.
  - IshKebab 3y ago
    SpaceX isn't pouring boiling water into an aquarium. Get a lake. Pour some lukewarm water into it. Let me know how many creatures survive. > Also USA news from literally just few weeks ago That is the entire ocean heating up. I think you're getting a bit confused about the thermodynamics.
    - justapassenger 3y ago
      Even few degrees can mess with the environment. So yes, lukewarm water can totally mess with a lake ecosystem, if you happen to pour it in the right place. Will it kill the whole lake? No. But life that happens to be at the spot where you poured the water? Dumping chemicals is also fine, as long as they aren’t strong enough to kill everything in the lake? And spacex launch site is literally surrounded by protected lands, that were there long before their site. Will spacex kill some protected life nearby? We don’t know. But let’s not pretend that dumping hot water is safe. And that news is about parts near Florida reaching reef threatening levels. Based on your reasoning it’s fine, as only reefs near Florida were impacted, ocean is fine, so what’s the big deal, right? It’s really stunning to me, that spacex fans, whose mission is to basically “safe humanity” care so little about the environment, that you know, humanity needs to live.
      - IshKebab 3y ago
        > Will it kill the whole lake? No. But life that happens to be at the spot where you poured the water? Unless it's very hot (like over 50C) I doubt that would be affected much, and even if it is, so what? I don't think the goal is zero deaths. A few insects and some algae dying does not matter. The main thing to prevent would be toxic chemicals getting into the environment because unlike hot water they can have long term effects. > care so little about the environment I care about things that actually affect the environment. If you cared so much about it you'd spend more time worrying about actual issues. > Based on your reasoning it’s fine, as only reefs near Florida were impacted, ocean is fine, so what’s the big deal, right? Ok you really don't understand the scales involved here. Go and look up how much energy is involved in heating the Florida ocean by one degree, and compare that to the energy heating all the water from the deluge system by 100C. It's 1.3 million litres apparently.
        justapassenger 3y ago
        > I doubt that would be affected much, and even if it is, so what? I don't think the goal is zero deaths So thank you for finally agreeing. Hot water is dangerous. No one says goal is zero deaths. But brushing over it, "oh, just some things will die" especially if you're talking about wildlife preserve is oil baron type of argument. > I care about things that actually affect the environment. If you cared so much about it you'd spend more time worrying about actual issues. You care about things that affect part of the environment you care about, right? Other environments - that's their problem? You know that EPA considers heated water a hazard, right? > Ok you really don't understand the scales involved here. Go and look up how much energy is involved in heating the Florida ocean by one degree, and compare that to the energy heating all the water from the deluge system by 100C. It's 1.3 million litres apparently. I don't believe you argue in good faith, if you don't understand why I brought this example, and try to make it sounds, that unless spacex heats the water to 100C, then it's ok. Bye, it's not worth my time.

TaylorAlexander 3y ago

At a minimum there’s probably also going to be soot, particles of burned engine metals, and trace impurities from the fuel. Protected land isn’t the place you normally go dumping _anything_.

bryanlarsen 3y ago
ATV's also leave those things, and they're allowed in the area.
- TaylorAlexander 3y ago
  I can’t comment on the comparability of air emissions to water emissions for this environment. Just pointing out that it’s more than pure methane combustion byproducts.