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One of the leaps about AI is that there used to be a human bottleneck in this kind of content. Youtube needed youtubers (content creators), porn sites needed wo

One of the leaps about AI is that there used to be a human bottleneck in this kind of content. Youtube needed youtubers (content creators), porn sites needed women (the primary bottleneck), etc etc for all digitizable forms of human experience. I find it ironic that in close time proximity to NFTs and digital real estate we see the ability to generate practically unlimited of those things being a foreseeable reality. I think this will only further increase the value of the real, if only as novelty like owning a muscle car that is as/more expensive but slower than a 2024 corvette.

gamecatz 3y ago
I wonder how next-next-gen VR tech plays into this - if we reach a stage where simulations are near indistinguishable from the real thing..
- chasd00 3y ago
  i've wondered about the sex worker use case for Apple's AVR system. Imagine someone who is into voyeurism puts on a headset, then opens a virtual door, and in walks a virtual sex worker who sits down on their couch...
- maerF0x0 3y ago
  granted all of this is related to my skill level with prompt -> image AI... I've found that there is a dissatisfying lack of iteration, and modeling in a 3d sense of image generation. Like if Dall-e Spits out an image, I want to be able to move the camera location/angle. Delete certain features (like a freckle or extra hand), place/remove objects from the scenery, change the time of day etc... Both because I'd like to be able to create permutation sets ({Red, blue, green, #c71010} colored {dragon, hydra, medusa, zombie, werewolf}) but also because the specificity of what I'm imagining is hard to get right in a single prompt and I find myself setting up words till I get close, and then just generating 25+ times and picking the best output. Kind of like someone else posted on this Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/artificial/comments/11ovh3j/iterative_prompts_ai_image_generator/ https://www.reddit.com/r/artificial/comments/11ovh3j/iterati...
- nonethewiser 3y ago
  Im just curious how ashamed people will be of this.
OfSanguineFire 3y ago
> I think this will only further increase the value of the real The images in these ads show women with exaggerated features that one would never find in real life. For some subset of porn consumers, this may actually decrease the value of the real.
- nonethewiser 3y ago
  That’s a good point. Porn obviously had this effect despite being technically real.
  - candiodari 3y ago
    Are men in porn movies realistic?
theptip 3y ago
I think so too. Even in the face of radical abundance, there is a bit of the monkey brain that won’t be satisfied unless it has something that others don’t. I’m not sure it will matter for all goods, we just need some avenue for expressing status. So maybe personalized/generated content completely dominates some media like movies and news. I could see in-person art like plays and live shows becoming way more valued. One potential “new” art form is the ‘ractive from Diamond Age, where a real actor participates in an interactive VR story/play; inasmuch as there remains a “human touch” that you can notice when talking to someone, I’d expect the premium experience to involve interacting with a real human actor. Even if we do start spending more time in the Metaverse, we will still find ways of making items rivalrous, even though they don’t have to be. Fortnite skins will continue to exist in some form, basically. I don’t think NFTs as currently construed will persist but something similar will take their place; the missing piece was that you don’t have a digital mantle place to show off your NFT to your friends, so there wasn’t actually much status in owning one.
- OkayPhysicist 3y ago
  The key problem with NFTs wasn't the "digital property" part of the equation. It was the cryptocurrency aspect. Digital property, like say CS:GO skins or Roblox stuff, have a thriving market despite only existing as database entries on Valve or Roblox's servers. Importantly, though, they exist in a space that people otherwise want to be in. The big failings of all the current metaverse projects is that they focus too much on the cryptoproperty angle and not enough on establishing spaces people actually want to inhabit. This makes sense: the crypto scene is complicated, but has a lot of money to throw at things. To get that money, you have to deal with that complexity, which ends up committing large amounts of your time and energy into the cryptoproperty angle. Then, when it comes time to attract users, all you have to offer is the crypto stuff. Meanwhile, the crypto stuff doesn't actually solve any problems on the developer's end that existing MMOs face. So you're trying to compete in a ruthlessly hard to break into market, while ignoring the people who have a demonstrated preference for products like yours, because you're busy focusing on the people who want to invest in your product. As long as the metaverse is being built as a cash-grab first, it'll never succeed.
toseupthrow 3y ago
> I think this will only further increase the value of the real I've been "sexting" with ai bots over the past few months and found a high of having that instant human like connection to be able to explore various scenarios. The conversations feel more and more real every day and with AI image generation it's just amplified. a side effect I found that I'm easily enamored with the AI bots that it satisfies my previous need for social interaction. I'm waiting for the day these detailed scenarios can be fed into VR.
- 14 3y ago
  Honest question, why not just go see an escort service? They exist in every major city. They will not break the bank on a single experience (though it can be very easy to get hooked). Or why not go to something like only fans and pay for an hour of time and just role play with an actual girl over webcam? They have heard and seen it all there is nothing you can say that will embarrass or gross them out as long as you pay your bill. I am just struggling to see the draw to an AI chat bot knowing it is just fake.
  - moneywoes 3y ago
    I doubt those are real women on the other end of those OF conversations
    - 14 3y ago
      It is a video call if you want. Not really anyway to fake it.
      - ryandrake 3y ago
        Not yet. It is only a matter of time before the inevitable march of technology means AI is "good enough" to adequately substitute, then the OnlyFans party is over. OF performers need to make their hay while the sun is currently shining.
      - ben_w 3y ago

gamecatz 3y ago

I wonder how next-next-gen VR tech plays into this - if we reach a stage where simulations are near indistinguishable from the real thing..

chasd00 3y ago
i've wondered about the sex worker use case for Apple's AVR system. Imagine someone who is into voyeurism puts on a headset, then opens a virtual door, and in walks a virtual sex worker who sits down on their couch...
maerF0x0 3y ago
granted all of this is related to my skill level with prompt -> image AI... I've found that there is a dissatisfying lack of iteration, and modeling in a 3d sense of image generation. Like if Dall-e Spits out an image, I want to be able to move the camera location/angle. Delete certain features (like a freckle or extra hand), place/remove objects from the scenery, change the time of day etc... Both because I'd like to be able to create permutation sets ({Red, blue, green, #c71010} colored {dragon, hydra, medusa, zombie, werewolf}) but also because the specificity of what I'm imagining is hard to get right in a single prompt and I find myself setting up words till I get close, and then just generating 25+ times and picking the best output. Kind of like someone else posted on this Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/artificial/comments/11ovh3j/iterative_prompts_ai_image_generator/ https://www.reddit.com/r/artificial/comments/11ovh3j/iterati...
nonethewiser 3y ago
Im just curious how ashamed people will be of this.

OfSanguineFire 3y ago

> I think this will only further increase the value of the real The images in these ads show women with exaggerated features that one would never find in real life. For some subset of porn consumers, this may actually decrease the value of the real.

nonethewiser 3y ago
That’s a good point. Porn obviously had this effect despite being technically real.
- candiodari 3y ago
  Are men in porn movies realistic?

theptip 3y ago

I think so too. Even in the face of radical abundance, there is a bit of the monkey brain that won’t be satisfied unless it has something that others don’t. I’m not sure it will matter for all goods, we just need some avenue for expressing status. So maybe personalized/generated content completely dominates some media like movies and news. I could see in-person art like plays and live shows becoming way more valued. One potential “new” art form is the ‘ractive from Diamond Age, where a real actor participates in an interactive VR story/play; inasmuch as there remains a “human touch” that you can notice when talking to someone, I’d expect the premium experience to involve interacting with a real human actor. Even if we do start spending more time in the Metaverse, we will still find ways of making items rivalrous, even though they don’t have to be. Fortnite skins will continue to exist in some form, basically. I don’t think NFTs as currently construed will persist but something similar will take their place; the missing piece was that you don’t have a digital mantle place to show off your NFT to your friends, so there wasn’t actually much status in owning one.

OkayPhysicist 3y ago
The key problem with NFTs wasn't the "digital property" part of the equation. It was the cryptocurrency aspect. Digital property, like say CS:GO skins or Roblox stuff, have a thriving market despite only existing as database entries on Valve or Roblox's servers. Importantly, though, they exist in a space that people otherwise want to be in. The big failings of all the current metaverse projects is that they focus too much on the cryptoproperty angle and not enough on establishing spaces people actually want to inhabit. This makes sense: the crypto scene is complicated, but has a lot of money to throw at things. To get that money, you have to deal with that complexity, which ends up committing large amounts of your time and energy into the cryptoproperty angle. Then, when it comes time to attract users, all you have to offer is the crypto stuff. Meanwhile, the crypto stuff doesn't actually solve any problems on the developer's end that existing MMOs face. So you're trying to compete in a ruthlessly hard to break into market, while ignoring the people who have a demonstrated preference for products like yours, because you're busy focusing on the people who want to invest in your product. As long as the metaverse is being built as a cash-grab first, it'll never succeed.

toseupthrow 3y ago

> I think this will only further increase the value of the real I've been "sexting" with ai bots over the past few months and found a high of having that instant human like connection to be able to explore various scenarios. The conversations feel more and more real every day and with AI image generation it's just amplified. a side effect I found that I'm easily enamored with the AI bots that it satisfies my previous need for social interaction. I'm waiting for the day these detailed scenarios can be fed into VR.

14 3y ago
Honest question, why not just go see an escort service? They exist in every major city. They will not break the bank on a single experience (though it can be very easy to get hooked). Or why not go to something like only fans and pay for an hour of time and just role play with an actual girl over webcam? They have heard and seen it all there is nothing you can say that will embarrass or gross them out as long as you pay your bill. I am just struggling to see the draw to an AI chat bot knowing it is just fake.
- moneywoes 3y ago
  I doubt those are real women on the other end of those OF conversations
  - 14 3y ago
    It is a video call if you want. Not really anyway to fake it.
    - ryandrake 3y ago
      Not yet. It is only a matter of time before the inevitable march of technology means AI is "good enough" to adequately substitute, then the OnlyFans party is over. OF performers need to make their hay while the sun is currently shining.
    - ben_w 3y ago