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That is because of business models - Apple sells you stuff, Meta collects all the info about you and sells that to other people... It's very hard to have privac

That is because of business models - Apple sells you stuff, Meta collects all the info about you and sells that to other people... It's very hard to have privacy when your paycheck depends on selling data.

paulryanrogers 3y ago
Increasingly Apple sells you services and has tried ads, likely will again
- giantrobot 3y ago
  Apple sells services? That you elect to use and pay for? The nerve of them!
  - paulryanrogers 3y ago
    Sorry if the implication wasn't obvious. Once they sell B2C services it's just a matter of time before that too becomes ad supported, then your data (or at least eye balls) are for sale.
    - epistasis 3y ago
      Why are dollar-for-service inevitably going to switch to ad supported? I can't imagine the necessity of that, you already have a paying customer.
      - sumeno 3y ago
        Because you always have to be squeezing more money from somewhere to keep your stock going up and ads are an easy place to get it
        pulisse 3y ago
        Ad serving is a (very) low-margin business, and only profitable with huge impression counts. Apple services (think iCloud storage plans) are high margin, with comparatively few opportunities to serve ads. There would be zero point to injecting ads into service contexts (as opposed to something like App Store views).
        epistasis 3y ago
        Do you have some examples of services going from fee-for-service to fee-and-ads-for-service? I am coming up blank. The closest that I can think of are areas that had been as based but then added fees as well, such as TV.
        paulryanrogers 3y ago
        Cable TV, Netflix, Kindle, Windows
      - amelius 3y ago
        See Smart TVs.
        epistasis 3y ago
        Good point! And I guess that also brings in all the gunk that I hear gets installed on Windows from a lot of systems integrators. Which, funnily enough, has been one of the clear market differentiators for Apple.
    - giantrobot 3y ago
      That just doesn't follow. You're making multiple leaps. First that Apple is going to add or switch to ad support for their services. The second is those ads will be as invasive as Facebook ads.
      - paulryanrogers 3y ago
        Fair point, yet you pay a premium for Apple hardware and get ads for Apple services constantly. ICloud red dot until you sign up/in, media play/pause always defaults to opening Apple Music, nags to use Safari, etc
pb7 3y ago
This is wrong. They do not sell user data.

paulryanrogers 3y ago

Increasingly Apple sells you services and has tried ads, likely will again

giantrobot 3y ago
Apple sells services? That you elect to use and pay for? The nerve of them!
- paulryanrogers 3y ago
  Sorry if the implication wasn't obvious. Once they sell B2C services it's just a matter of time before that too becomes ad supported, then your data (or at least eye balls) are for sale.
  - epistasis 3y ago
    Why are dollar-for-service inevitably going to switch to ad supported? I can't imagine the necessity of that, you already have a paying customer.
    - sumeno 3y ago
      Because you always have to be squeezing more money from somewhere to keep your stock going up and ads are an easy place to get it
      - pulisse 3y ago
        Ad serving is a (very) low-margin business, and only profitable with huge impression counts. Apple services (think iCloud storage plans) are high margin, with comparatively few opportunities to serve ads. There would be zero point to injecting ads into service contexts (as opposed to something like App Store views).
      - epistasis 3y ago
        Do you have some examples of services going from fee-for-service to fee-and-ads-for-service? I am coming up blank. The closest that I can think of are areas that had been as based but then added fees as well, such as TV.
        paulryanrogers 3y ago
        Cable TV, Netflix, Kindle, Windows
    - amelius 3y ago
      See Smart TVs.
      - epistasis 3y ago
        Good point! And I guess that also brings in all the gunk that I hear gets installed on Windows from a lot of systems integrators. Which, funnily enough, has been one of the clear market differentiators for Apple.
  - giantrobot 3y ago
    That just doesn't follow. You're making multiple leaps. First that Apple is going to add or switch to ad support for their services. The second is those ads will be as invasive as Facebook ads.
    - paulryanrogers 3y ago
      Fair point, yet you pay a premium for Apple hardware and get ads for Apple services constantly. ICloud red dot until you sign up/in, media play/pause always defaults to opening Apple Music, nags to use Safari, etc

pb7 3y ago

This is wrong. They do not sell user data.