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Key actionable info: to fix this, go to this URL: chrome://settings/adPrivacy and turn off the toggles on each of the three subpages. Alternatively, go t

Key actionable info: to fix this, go to this URL: chrome://settings/adPrivacy and turn off the toggles on each of the three subpages. Alternatively, go to this URL https://www.mozilla.org/firefox/ https://www.mozilla.org/firefox/ to fix this permanently.

1vuio0pswjnm7 3y ago
Mozilla actively supports online ads and tracking. Without their partnership with Google, they could not continue as a going concern for very long. The deception is to make people believe that studying them as ad targets through their internet use can be "private". Many will believe this nonsense. Including regulators. "It's OK, folks. Privacy is preserved." Green light to keep on tracking, collecting data and serving ads. But the study of people's internet use to enable programmtic advertising _is_ the problem. There will be more ads. They will be more personal. The www will become even more annoying. Perhaps moreso than any other medium that has come before it. To Mozilla, there can be no www without advertising. The truth is that there can be no so-called "tech" companies, monopolisng intermediaries, without programmatic internet advertising. The www does not need it and the original www did not have it. First Mozilla partners with Yahoo. Then Google. Perhaps Meta will be next. Mozilla is no different than so-called "tech" companies in at least one regard: it cannot find a "business model" besides internet advertising. https://analyticsindiamag.com/despite-clashes-in-the-past-mozilla-partners-with-meta-on-interoperable-private-attribution/ https://analyticsindiamag.com/despite-clashes-in-the-past-mo... https://www.adweek.com/programmatic/ipa-the-meta-and-mozilla-attribution-framework-gains-traction-at-the-w3c-conference/ https://www.adweek.com/programmatic/ipa-the-meta-and-mozilla... https://www.admonsters.com/eletters/mozilla-and-metas-ipa-framework-gains-steam-at-w3c-conference-the-atlantic-pushes-into-tv-and-film/ https://www.admonsters.com/eletters/mozilla-and-metas-ipa-fr...
- whydoyoucare 3y ago
  Yeah, that is my understanding as well. While many promote Firefox as an alternative to Google Chrome, it simply lacks adequate proof that Firefox is any better than Chrome at tracking. Else, how does Mozilla survive?
mulmen 3y ago
Does Google do the scummy thing where these toggles get reset to default after an update?
- benterix 3y ago
  No, this is mainly Microsoft's domain. Google's thing is boiling the frog under the hood.
- rjh29 3y ago
  Yes. Very commonly they change a feature, put the old behaviour behind a config setting (flag), then silently remove the flag later.
- Eduard 3y ago
  same with Firefox in my case. after restart, it asks to be the default browser. and again. and again.
  - SushiHippie 3y ago
    You can disable this in the settings, go to settings and you immediately see the checkbox "Always check if Firefox is your default browser"
    - Eduard 3y ago
      that's the whole point: Firefox does not remember my choice.
thekevan 3y ago
Also alternatively, go to this URL https://brave.com/download/ https://brave.com/download/ to fix this permanently.
- Zardoz84 3y ago
  [flagged]
  - mixto 3y ago
    You mean the guy who created JavaScript and Mozilla?
  - gettodachoppa 3y ago
    [flagged]
  - norman784 3y ago
    What has his political view or believes to do with his product?
  - ShrigmaMale 3y ago
    for anyone who can't parse the ridiculously reductionist and biased language, he means brendan eich, who created JS and led mozilla for quite a while. brave is a good browser, and unlike firefox, doesn't leak memory with tons of tabs. you should use it.
    - selfhoster11 3y ago
      I have hundreds to thousands of tabs at any given time. If Firefox has issues with those, then one of my plugins must be fixing it well enough for me not to notice.
      - Auracle 3y ago
        > I have hundreds to thousands of tabs at any given time. Why
account-5 3y ago
Key actionable info: use Firefox. Completely immune from this and you don't need to worry that toggle will get mysteriously turn back on.
- gettodachoppa 3y ago
  Ding ding ding! Switch now. If you use Chrome, you are complicit in what Google is subjecting the entire world to. This isn't iPhone vs Android. This isn't vim vs emacs. You can switch browsers in 5 minutes and never notice any meaningful difference. Degoogle today.
  - 2Gkashmiri 3y ago
    ding ding ding. switching to brave is no better
    - ttoinou 3y ago
      Why ?
      - meepmorp 3y ago
        Because you're still promoting the Chrome web monoculture by using the same rendering and JS engines.
        kevincox 3y ago
        I would argue that it is better, but not as much better as Firefox. The further you can get away from Google Chrome the better, but any distance is beneficial.
        meepmorp 3y ago
        I think Brave hews closely enough to upstream that even if they leave out a feature like this, they still help enforce Google's control of the web by enforcing Chrome's status as "the standard," that many devs target. But, otoh, maybe perfect is the enemy of good here.
CommanderData 3y ago
Until you can't. The Chrome team routinely remove options from settings, usually keep them for a few months until there's no way of changing them.
est 3y ago
Any binary hackers to modify the executable of Chrome directly?
- 3np 3y ago
  What's the point? It's open source. So some people naturally spend the effort to maintain something like https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium In descending order of significance (i.e. most important objective first): 1. ungoogled-chromium is Google Chromium, sans dependency on Google web services. 2. ungoogled-chromium retains the default Chromium experience as closely as possible. Unlike other Chromium forks that have their own visions of a web browser, ungoogled-chromium is essentially a drop-in replacement for Chromium. 3. ungoogled-chromium features tweaks to enhance privacy, control, and transparency. However, almost all of these features must be manually activated or enabled. For more details, see Feature Overview.
  - est 3y ago
    > It's open source Harder to distribute than unzip-and-run binaries.
    - LoganDark 3y ago
      ungoogled-chromium literally offers unzip-and-run binaries - it's what I use on a day-to-day basis.
    - arcanemachiner 3y ago
      There AppImages for Linux. Can't speak for the other OSs.
jacooper 3y ago
Or use brave.
- mihaic 3y ago
  Why do you consider a Chromium-based browser from another for-profit company that has done some morally debatable things as an alternative?
  - tomalbrc 3y ago
    The FF UX is terrible
    - arghwhat 3y ago
      Terrible is a strong word for UX in an area where all products have 95% the same interface, and distancing means changing the appearance of the titlebar slightly...
      - LoganDark 3y ago
        The keyboard shortcut for opening a private window is Ctrl+Shift+P instead of Ctrl+Shift+N.
        arghwhat 3y ago
        As long as the panic Ctrl-Shift-W to close said window still works, we should all be safe.
        doublerabbit 3y ago
        If we could scrap CTRL+W for closing the tab, it would save my anger on a couple of webgames. You can't eliminate that anywhere.
        5e92cb50239222b 3y ago
mrtksn 3y ago
What do you do if websites are "best viewed in Chrome"? Embrace: Embrace the open web, create an excellent product and aggressively promote it until you take over the market Extend: Chrome experiments and advanced features that improve the user experience and developer experience through Chrome only API and Google services. Even provide these services to everyone who wants to use them free or charge so that the user expectations are elevated to that point and web businesses depend on these by building their products around them. Maybe make developers depend on this "topics" feature even. Exterminate: Cut off or degrade the free services to 3rd party browsers, remove or tame extensions that harm your business and recoup the costs of the free services. Since you no longer have viable competition, reduce the development of Chrome any further, optimize only for profit. Developers who depend on you ad tech can choose to refuse serving users using another browser or opt out of Google verification or account services? The users will stay like they sat with IE. IE of the 2020s.
- satvikpendem 3y ago
  Use ungoogled-chromium: https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium
- msh 3y ago
  Use edge for the websites that only work in chrome.
  - mrtksn 3y ago
    How this helps with having the Google services that hypothetically some time in near future would ve a must have to view a website?
    - maest 3y ago
      So because things could get worse, there's no point in doing anything?
      - 3y ago
ekanes 3y ago
Thanks. Somehow this latest ickiness from Chrome was the push I needed to switch to Firefox.
dspillett 3y ago
Also note that Chrome on my home machine has asked me more than once to enable the new feature. Each time I've said no, I find it has turned on other related features. This may be the final irritation that makes me pull my finger out and switch to Chromium or back to FF¹. I used to switch back & forth every year or two, as one of them did something to irritate me⁴ I switched to the other. -- [1] I switched to Chrome a few years ago when FF went through a period of being unstable² [2] and because certain extensions didn't have good FF alternatives, because they never were or because some were crippled by the changes in ~2017³, but that latter point is fairly moot as Google is now taking their turn to work towards crippling useful extensions [3] at least FF's change here were mostly due to massively misreading the room while trying to streamline their platform, where Google's seem to be more malicious when you consider most of the affected extensions are ones that go against their primary business of tracking people & selling adverts. [4] things breaking after updates, periods of general instability, not keeping up in the performance race for a while, etc.

1vuio0pswjnm7 3y ago

Mozilla actively supports online ads and tracking. Without their partnership with Google, they could not continue as a going concern for very long. The deception is to make people believe that studying them as ad targets through their internet use can be "private". Many will believe this nonsense. Including regulators. "It's OK, folks. Privacy is preserved." Green light to keep on tracking, collecting data and serving ads. But the study of people's internet use to enable programmtic advertising _is_ the problem. There will be more ads. They will be more personal. The www will become even more annoying. Perhaps moreso than any other medium that has come before it. To Mozilla, there can be no www without advertising. The truth is that there can be no so-called "tech" companies, monopolisng intermediaries, without programmatic internet advertising. The www does not need it and the original www did not have it. First Mozilla partners with Yahoo. Then Google. Perhaps Meta will be next. Mozilla is no different than so-called "tech" companies in at least one regard: it cannot find a "business model" besides internet advertising. https://analyticsindiamag.com/despite-clashes-in-the-past-mozilla-partners-with-meta-on-interoperable-private-attribution/ https://analyticsindiamag.com/despite-clashes-in-the-past-mo... https://www.adweek.com/programmatic/ipa-the-meta-and-mozilla-attribution-framework-gains-traction-at-the-w3c-conference/ https://www.adweek.com/programmatic/ipa-the-meta-and-mozilla... https://www.admonsters.com/eletters/mozilla-and-metas-ipa-framework-gains-steam-at-w3c-conference-the-atlantic-pushes-into-tv-and-film/ https://www.admonsters.com/eletters/mozilla-and-metas-ipa-fr...

whydoyoucare 3y ago
Yeah, that is my understanding as well. While many promote Firefox as an alternative to Google Chrome, it simply lacks adequate proof that Firefox is any better than Chrome at tracking. Else, how does Mozilla survive?

mulmen 3y ago

Does Google do the scummy thing where these toggles get reset to default after an update?

benterix 3y ago
No, this is mainly Microsoft's domain. Google's thing is boiling the frog under the hood.
rjh29 3y ago
Yes. Very commonly they change a feature, put the old behaviour behind a config setting (flag), then silently remove the flag later.
Eduard 3y ago
same with Firefox in my case. after restart, it asks to be the default browser. and again. and again.
- SushiHippie 3y ago
  You can disable this in the settings, go to settings and you immediately see the checkbox "Always check if Firefox is your default browser"
  - Eduard 3y ago
    that's the whole point: Firefox does not remember my choice.

thekevan 3y ago

Also alternatively, go to this URL https://brave.com/download/ https://brave.com/download/ to fix this permanently.

Zardoz84 3y ago
[flagged]
- mixto 3y ago
  You mean the guy who created JavaScript and Mozilla?
- gettodachoppa 3y ago
  [flagged]
- norman784 3y ago
  What has his political view or believes to do with his product?
- ShrigmaMale 3y ago
  for anyone who can't parse the ridiculously reductionist and biased language, he means brendan eich, who created JS and led mozilla for quite a while. brave is a good browser, and unlike firefox, doesn't leak memory with tons of tabs. you should use it.
  - selfhoster11 3y ago
    I have hundreds to thousands of tabs at any given time. If Firefox has issues with those, then one of my plugins must be fixing it well enough for me not to notice.
    - Auracle 3y ago
      > I have hundreds to thousands of tabs at any given time. Why

account-5 3y ago

Key actionable info: use Firefox. Completely immune from this and you don't need to worry that toggle will get mysteriously turn back on.

gettodachoppa 3y ago
Ding ding ding! Switch now. If you use Chrome, you are complicit in what Google is subjecting the entire world to. This isn't iPhone vs Android. This isn't vim vs emacs. You can switch browsers in 5 minutes and never notice any meaningful difference. Degoogle today.
- 2Gkashmiri 3y ago
  ding ding ding. switching to brave is no better
  - ttoinou 3y ago
    Why ?
    - meepmorp 3y ago
      Because you're still promoting the Chrome web monoculture by using the same rendering and JS engines.
      - kevincox 3y ago
        I would argue that it is better, but not as much better as Firefox. The further you can get away from Google Chrome the better, but any distance is beneficial.
        meepmorp 3y ago
        I think Brave hews closely enough to upstream that even if they leave out a feature like this, they still help enforce Google's control of the web by enforcing Chrome's status as "the standard," that many devs target. But, otoh, maybe perfect is the enemy of good here.

CommanderData 3y ago

Until you can't. The Chrome team routinely remove options from settings, usually keep them for a few months until there's no way of changing them.

est 3y ago

Any binary hackers to modify the executable of Chrome directly?

3np 3y ago
What's the point? It's open source. So some people naturally spend the effort to maintain something like https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium In descending order of significance (i.e. most important objective first): 1. ungoogled-chromium is Google Chromium, sans dependency on Google web services. 2. ungoogled-chromium retains the default Chromium experience as closely as possible. Unlike other Chromium forks that have their own visions of a web browser, ungoogled-chromium is essentially a drop-in replacement for Chromium. 3. ungoogled-chromium features tweaks to enhance privacy, control, and transparency. However, almost all of these features must be manually activated or enabled. For more details, see Feature Overview.
- est 3y ago
  > It's open source Harder to distribute than unzip-and-run binaries.
  - LoganDark 3y ago
    ungoogled-chromium literally offers unzip-and-run binaries - it's what I use on a day-to-day basis.
  - arcanemachiner 3y ago
    There AppImages for Linux. Can't speak for the other OSs.

jacooper 3y ago

Or use brave.

mihaic 3y ago
Why do you consider a Chromium-based browser from another for-profit company that has done some morally debatable things as an alternative?
- tomalbrc 3y ago
  The FF UX is terrible
  - arghwhat 3y ago
    Terrible is a strong word for UX in an area where all products have 95% the same interface, and distancing means changing the appearance of the titlebar slightly...
    - LoganDark 3y ago
      The keyboard shortcut for opening a private window is Ctrl+Shift+P instead of Ctrl+Shift+N.
      - arghwhat 3y ago
        As long as the panic Ctrl-Shift-W to close said window still works, we should all be safe.
        doublerabbit 3y ago
        If we could scrap CTRL+W for closing the tab, it would save my anger on a couple of webgames. You can't eliminate that anywhere.
        5e92cb50239222b 3y ago

mrtksn 3y ago

What do you do if websites are "best viewed in Chrome"? Embrace: Embrace the open web, create an excellent product and aggressively promote it until you take over the market Extend: Chrome experiments and advanced features that improve the user experience and developer experience through Chrome only API and Google services. Even provide these services to everyone who wants to use them free or charge so that the user expectations are elevated to that point and web businesses depend on these by building their products around them. Maybe make developers depend on this "topics" feature even. Exterminate: Cut off or degrade the free services to 3rd party browsers, remove or tame extensions that harm your business and recoup the costs of the free services. Since you no longer have viable competition, reduce the development of Chrome any further, optimize only for profit. Developers who depend on you ad tech can choose to refuse serving users using another browser or opt out of Google verification or account services? The users will stay like they sat with IE. IE of the 2020s.

satvikpendem 3y ago
Use ungoogled-chromium: https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium
msh 3y ago
Use edge for the websites that only work in chrome.
- mrtksn 3y ago
  How this helps with having the Google services that hypothetically some time in near future would ve a must have to view a website?
  - maest 3y ago
    So because things could get worse, there's no point in doing anything?
    - 3y ago

ekanes 3y ago

Thanks. Somehow this latest ickiness from Chrome was the push I needed to switch to Firefox.

dspillett 3y ago

Also note that Chrome on my home machine has asked me more than once to enable the new feature. Each time I've said no, I find it has turned on other related features. This may be the final irritation that makes me pull my finger out and switch to Chromium or back to FF¹. I used to switch back & forth every year or two, as one of them did something to irritate me⁴ I switched to the other. -- [1] I switched to Chrome a few years ago when FF went through a period of being unstable² [2] and because certain extensions didn't have good FF alternatives, because they never were or because some were crippled by the changes in ~2017³, but that latter point is fairly moot as Google is now taking their turn to work towards crippling useful extensions [3] at least FF's change here were mostly due to massively misreading the room while trying to streamline their platform, where Google's seem to be more malicious when you consider most of the affected extensions are ones that go against their primary business of tracking people & selling adverts. [4] things breaking after updates, periods of general instability, not keeping up in the performance race for a while, etc.