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So far, the decriminalization of drug use in California has been a nightmare of human misery. Throwing psychedelics into the mix is going to make it even worse.
by WillPostForFood 3y ago
So far, the decriminalization of drug use in California has been a nightmare of human misery. Throwing psychedelics into the mix is going to make it even worse. It is a feeding a cycle of Mental Illness -> Drugs -> Homeless -> Drugs -> Mental Illness -> Homeless.
- pengaru 3y agoYou're right, we'd be in a far better position with all those addicts behind bars with actual violent criminals.
- kinakomochidayo 3y agoPsychedelics != Opiates and Meth
- King-Aaron 3y agoHas there been any studies into the relationship between an increase in crime/mental health problems/etc and the decriminalisation of drugs in Cali (or elsewhere?)
- krmboya 3y agoFor thousands of years human existence, society made adjustments based on effects of observed harmful activities and habits, and codified them in the form of taboos and myths to pass them down to future generations. This happened without embarking on formal studies. My argument is that collective human intuition is good enough in many cases to avoid harming society, we are the evidence, because our ancestors survived
- mitchellvdub 3y agoThis is the very definition of survivor bias. Just because being afraid of the dark used to be evolutionarily benefitial, doesn't mean we need to continue being afraid.
- klntsky 3y agoAnd yet succumbing to uncontrolled drug use for you means less likelyhood for your descendants to experience this survival bias themselves. Uhhh I guess it just works this way for some reason, what could it be?
- orangepurple 3y agoSurvivor bias is literally an integral component of evolution. However, I agree that all options should be questioned.
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- parineum 3y ago>My argument is that collective human intuition is good enough in many cases to avoid harming society, we are the evidence, because our ancestors survived The same human intuition that has repeatedly led to things like slavery and genocide? Sometimes fighting against our intuition is exactly what's needed. A lot of our instincts are bad but our only saving grace is that we can sometimes think our way out of them.
- throwaway1777 3y agoShrooms aren’t usually part of this cycle. You’re thinking of meth & heroin/fentanyl
- viscanti 3y agoMeth, heroin, and fentanyl haven't been decriminalized either. So it's difficult to understand the point they're trying to make.
- realitysballs 3y agoDo you have any references or evidence to back up this statement?
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- corethree 3y agoDo you live in california? Go outside and open your eyes for evidence.
- tomnipotent 3y agoIn other words, you don't have any evidence.
- corethree 3y agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvmpXURWlJg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvmpXURWlJg
- senttoschool 3y agohttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC300808/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC300808/
- PM_me_your_math 3y agoIf you go outside, you will see what unfettered access to drugs does to a society. Of course, you don't need to go outside to see it, since you can do a search and find plenty of examples and studies. The truth can exist, even if someone doesn't want to do your homework for you. Late 19th century China comes to mind. Right now, one only needs to walk the streets of LA, NYC, Chicago, Charlotte, Orlando, Detroit, San Diego, Philly, Houston, San Antonio, Austin, and any other city. You will see this on the streets: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e72zMER95ps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e72zMER95ps Is this really glamour? How is it helping, exactly? I don't see any purpose to unrestricted access to these substances, unless your goal is to shatter and/or destroy the lives of 20,000,000 Americans. I'll add that I think people should have a choice, but rights cease being rights when they impose on the rights of others. Weed, tobacco, and alcohol are legal, but that doesn't mean there is no cost to society. People do stupid shit after smoking. Tobacco has health care implications. Alcohol destroys families. Free access to fent, heroin, crack, cocaine, lsd, meth, and even mdma is going to incur a very big cost. Those are non-starters. And while I think mdma can be used under medical care, abuse of that specific drug incurs a debt.
- 01100011 3y agoI'm split on this. Psychedelics can help reduce usage of hard drugs and help with treatment. They can also send folks over the edge and put even more pressure on the mental health system. I guess we'll get to find out...
- Mizoguchi 3y agoThis would only be possible if you are treated by professionals. An addict whose brain is soaked in nasty chemicals will never voluntarily seek treatment even if it was freely available, let alone come up with a plan by themselves to use psychedelics to sober up.
- georgeecollins 3y agoSource?
- mcbishop 3y agoPeople in hard times don't get addicted to psychedelics in the way they might get addicted to other drugs (e.g. crack, heroin). Also, I'm skeptical that decriminalization has caused more pain and suffering than the mass imprisonments.
- josephg 3y agoYep. Psychedelics like magic mushrooms and LSD just aren’t addictive. Taking them is existentially exhausting. It’s like going for a hike - when you get home you just want to have a cup of tea and rest. You don’t want to set off again immediately after. You also lose some agency about what you’re thinking about. Having a bad trip while homeless could be utter hell. I think it’s very unlikely that they’ll displace alcohol and friends as the drugs of choice for homeless people. If you want to dissociate from your shitty life, you will hate LSD.
- baq 3y agoopiates are the most shitty drug family, up there with alcohol. always have been! see opium wars, opium dens, etc. synthetic opiates like fentanyl are downright evil.