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...in american football. Context and history matter as this is the complete opposite for soccer: - Smaller numbers go to the defenders and big guys - Larger

...in american football. Context and history matter as this is the complete opposite for soccer: - Smaller numbers go to the defenders and big guys - Larger numbers are given to younger & academy player - Numbers like 7, 9, 10, 8 & 6 all have a specific meaning on the pitch So yeah, numbers matter, but so does everything else.

solids 3y ago
Having grown up in Argentina, it always annoyed me seeing players in any sport with numbers that don’t resemble certain position or role.
- slg 3y ago
  That is basically all this study is showing. The NFL (American football) used to subscribe to this and had strict rules over what numbers people could wear. 1-19 were reserved for the smallest players (quarterbacks, punters, and kickers). That was loosened roughly 25 years ago to allow slightly bigger players (wide receivers). They loosened it even more drastically within the last few years to allow most players to wear 0-19. It therefore isn't a surprise that people who see small numbers have a bias to think that player is smaller as that has been historically true. It would be interesting to repeat this study among younger generations of Americans and then international people who have no knowledge of the NFL. I would expect the first group would have a weaker effect and it might disappear entirely for the second group.
  - anemoiac 3y ago
    *Number ranges used to be used to indicate a player position, not their size... The average quarterback is significantly larger than the average cornerback, for example, and punters or kickers have no typical size (body size/shape doesn't factor into kicking ability).
dylan604 3y ago
of course there's been exceptions as well. Jamie Carragher's #23 for example. "Number 1 is Carragher. Number 2 is Carragher. Number 3 is Carragher. We all dream of a team of Carraghers!" couldn't resist
zimpenfish 3y ago
Don't forget that 1 is normally the goalkeeper.
blueberrychpstx 3y ago
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- Wilduck 3y ago
  Honestly, keep avoiding it please.
  - maxbond 3y ago
    There's also a "share" button on ChatGPT. One of the things I find objectionable about ChatGPT posts is that they take up a huge amount of real estate that I feel should be reserved for human commenters. A share link is economical and opt-in.
- ScoobleDoodle 3y ago
  I appreciate that you called out that it was generated by ChatGPT. Regardless of how the post lands with the HN community.
nostromo 3y ago
Same with rugby. 1 and 3 are the largest / heaviest players on the field.
- mrmincent 3y ago
  Also smartest, most brave, and the best dancers etc.
- FredPret 3y ago
  4 & 5 might be even heavier in some teams. But the 1-8 (forwards) will outweigh 9-15 (backs) by a lot.
lukas099 3y ago
I think it would be interesting to study the effect in sports that have no restrictions on who gets what number. Like (I think) basketball.

solids 3y ago

Having grown up in Argentina, it always annoyed me seeing players in any sport with numbers that don’t resemble certain position or role.

slg 3y ago
That is basically all this study is showing. The NFL (American football) used to subscribe to this and had strict rules over what numbers people could wear. 1-19 were reserved for the smallest players (quarterbacks, punters, and kickers). That was loosened roughly 25 years ago to allow slightly bigger players (wide receivers). They loosened it even more drastically within the last few years to allow most players to wear 0-19. It therefore isn't a surprise that people who see small numbers have a bias to think that player is smaller as that has been historically true. It would be interesting to repeat this study among younger generations of Americans and then international people who have no knowledge of the NFL. I would expect the first group would have a weaker effect and it might disappear entirely for the second group.
- anemoiac 3y ago
  *Number ranges used to be used to indicate a player position, not their size... The average quarterback is significantly larger than the average cornerback, for example, and punters or kickers have no typical size (body size/shape doesn't factor into kicking ability).

dylan604 3y ago

of course there's been exceptions as well. Jamie Carragher's #23 for example. "Number 1 is Carragher. Number 2 is Carragher. Number 3 is Carragher. We all dream of a team of Carraghers!" couldn't resist

zimpenfish 3y ago

Don't forget that 1 is normally the goalkeeper.

blueberrychpstx 3y ago

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Wilduck 3y ago
Honestly, keep avoiding it please.
- maxbond 3y ago
  There's also a "share" button on ChatGPT. One of the things I find objectionable about ChatGPT posts is that they take up a huge amount of real estate that I feel should be reserved for human commenters. A share link is economical and opt-in.
ScoobleDoodle 3y ago
I appreciate that you called out that it was generated by ChatGPT. Regardless of how the post lands with the HN community.

nostromo 3y ago

Same with rugby. 1 and 3 are the largest / heaviest players on the field.

mrmincent 3y ago
Also smartest, most brave, and the best dancers etc.
FredPret 3y ago
4 & 5 might be even heavier in some teams. But the 1-8 (forwards) will outweigh 9-15 (backs) by a lot.

lukas099 3y ago

I think it would be interesting to study the effect in sports that have no restrictions on who gets what number. Like (I think) basketball.