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Nintendo demoed Switch 2 to developers at Gamescom

36 points by haunter 3y ago

lelandbatey 3y ago
> Developer presentations for Switch 2 took place behind closed doors, Eurogamer understands, with partners shown tech demos of how well the system is designed to run. > One Switch 2 demo is a souped up version of Switch launch title Zelda: Breath of the Wild, designed to hit the Switch 2's beefier target specs. (To be clear, though - this is just a tech demo. There's no suggestion the game will be re-released.) Interesting that it's just the graphics being shown off. Its not clear if it's a "switch 2" or if it'll have other strange hardware/form factor quirks, all we have so far is "the graphics hardware will be better". One hopes it'll be good.
- drooopy 3y ago
  I would double-dip for a beefed up version of ToTK that can run at a constant 60 FPS but I really wish thay they would release it as a free update.
- zzbzq 3y ago
  Actually, just straight-up re-releasing remasters of the games might be a way to make backward compatibility work as a business model. I'm really cynical that, while the consumers in threads like this widely consider the backward compatibility to be an obvious choice, it just doesn't make business sense in a world where certain companies in particular make such a killing by perpetually re-selling the same games back to the same people over and over again. It's too lucrative and too effective. But if you can make the system backward compatible and still sell them those games a second time anyway, it's a win/win.
  - jerf 3y ago
    You can see them doing this with the WiiU lineup, which it turns out in hindsight had a lot of good games for it. But this works for them precisely because "nobody" bought those games, and there was still a good amount of time between rereleases. I don't think Nintendo is dim enough to release a Switch 2 next year and try to re-release Breath of the Wild for it. In fact I'll go out on a limb and suggest that based on previous console lifecycles, and the way the 1st party support tends to trail off towards the end of the cycle so they can dev on the new console so it can have a release line up, and the way that (current) Switch releases are powering through like there isn't a new console coming out in a year, that we're looking at a very high probability of a 100% backwards compatible console here. Otherwise I think they'd be holding more of this stuff back for the next release. With the way consoles work nowadays it'd be pretty easy for them to release a new engine for BotW/TotK for a Switch 2 that just comes down as a patch like any other when you plug the cartridge in. And you hardly even need a new engine just to push out a higher res display, as emulators prove.
  - chainwax 3y ago
    I have to imagine the Steam Deck playing in the same price bracket (the refurb base model was going for $320), Nintendo _may_ feel the pressure to support backwards compatibility. Why buy a new device and Breath of the Wild over again when you could just get a Deck and play a large % of ever PC game to have ever existed? Nintendo is also in a different position this time around, as the WiiU, DS, 3DS, etc had such different hardware that remaking a game for the Switch was essentially a necessity, whereas I expect the Switch 2 to be a Switch with faster hardware.
    - kouteiheika 3y ago
      > Why buy a new device and Breath of the Wild over again when you could just get a Deck and play a large % of ever PC game to have ever existed? ...and still be able to play Breath of the Wild on it. (Although, to be fail, the mainstream user probably won't be doing that.)
      - jamespo 3y ago
        if you enjoy terrible performance for switch games, playing them on a SD is one way to do it
      - mattl 3y ago
        Day 1 Switch owner and very early Deck owner. I don’t play with the deck enough because a lot of stuff is fiddly once you get away from the Steam store. I’ve seen lots of talk about emulators and things but it’s not terribly easy to set up.
  - slothtrop 3y ago
    Many of the new ps4 titles have "free upgrade" to the ps5 version on offer, for instance Armored Core 6. However, the largest difference between versions seems to be frame rate and resolution. I wonder if Nintendo would consider that for actual graphical upgrades.
- Cthulhu_ 3y ago
  I predict they'll play it safe; same form factor (but iterated on, like the oled model), backwards compatible, just faster and/or better battery life. There's few things they NEED to improve on the device. I hope it'll be like the PS4 Pro though (or cross-generation PS/xbox games), where developers are not allowed to make their game "switch 2 only". It didn't work at all for their "New Nintendo 2/3DS" line, only a small handful of games ended up being made or optimized for the improved hardware (https://www.reddit.com/r/3DS/wiki/exclusives/ https://www.reddit.com/r/3DS/wiki/exclusives/)
  - slothtrop 3y ago
    I think the last couple of Switch hardware versions filled that niche. This is meant to be a brand new console. It's interesting that they're keeping the Switch name, considering how that panned out with the Wii U.
- rjh29 3y ago
  Zelda: BOTW and TOTK are both ridiculous achievements on the Switch hardware. 30fps and usually no framedrops even with the huge field of view, physics engine, volumetric clouds, wind and rain modelling and so on. While obviously a higher framerate or better LoD would be nice, they've made the game playable enough on Switch 1 that I'm not that bothered, and that's an amazing achievement.
mcphage 3y ago
There really isn't any information about the console in this article, just that it was demoed. Which is to be expected if they're releasing next year. And if they're not releasing next year, I'm not sure what they expect to sell.
GaggiX 3y ago
I imagine it would be a better tablet, hopefully it would also have complete backward compatibility. Edit: I see there are a lot of replies already on my comment but I need to add more thoughts to it, I have the feeling that if Nintendo is going to release a better tablet with complete backward compatibility with the Switch, most developers will continue to develop for the original console instead of developing games for the new hardware as the Switch has sold >120mln of consoles, this is good for the consumer but it's probably not what Nintendo would want if their new generation console is seen as a "New 3ds" (there are only a dozen of games that run exclusively on this console, all the others run on the original hardware).
- ksec 3y ago
  >complete backward compatibility That would mean Nvidia SoC. The first gen Switch choose Nvidia because they were cheap, and Nvidia were despite to get their SoC into some use. With today's Nvidia I am just worried Nintendo isn't getting any decent deals.
  - bryanlarsen 3y ago
    If 99.9% compatibility is good enough they could probably switch vendors if they reimplemented NVN on a different SOC, assuming that Nintendo was smart enough to retain the rights to reimplement NVN. Reimplementing NVN is a big lift so NVidia certainly has the inside track but it's probably enough of a threat that Nintendo has some negotiating power.
  - hospitalJail 3y ago
    Worried is a weird word when we are talking about Nintendo. Nintendo is scummy AF advertising/marketing to children and their constant abuse of fans for playing recreationally with IP. Nintendo is probably a negative externality given their marketing to children. To this day, I still have a mental illness of obsession to their games, and I hate playing them.
    - AlexandrB 3y ago
      I'll take whatever Nintendo is doing over gambling and fomo-baited cash shops in games any day. Though Nintendo's popular mobile games are as bad as any mobile gacha "experience".
hashtag-til 3y ago
FAQ: When is the optimal time to sell your used Switch 1?
- mattl 3y ago
  What model do you have?
  - hashtag-til 3y ago
    The regular Nintendo Switch (non-OLED).
    - bobsmooth 3y ago
      They'll retain value to people wanting a moddable switch.
      - mattl 3y ago
        I think even then it depends on what model/revision but yes, for sure.
- wil421 3y ago
  I sold my old 2080 at the right time and made $100 but I was out a graphics card for over a year. Sold my steam deck as well and only lost about $75. Due to kids I didnt have time to play it along with the switch and some desktop PC games. Check eBay prices and local Craigslist/FB market place.
  - Ennea 3y ago
    Making $100 and not having a graphics card for over a year does not work out to "sold at the right time" for me somehow.
    - wil421 3y ago
      It’s impossible for me to game on 3 consoles due to time constraints. Juggling 2/3 (switch/deck) and switching 2/3 (switch/PC) a year later is not a big deal. I had an intel CPU with an integrated GPU at the time and a laptop and servers at home.
top_sigrid 3y ago
https://archive.ph/xft0r https://archive.ph/xft0r
darklycan51 3y ago
I know console people won't like this but I wish the went back to two consoles, I hate how big the switch is, all my life I bought nintendo portables only cause they were small and I could bring in my pocket...
- kemayo 3y ago
  I think that in this day and age that niche is pretty much filled by smartphones, though. Not perfectly, but enough that it's hard to compete. The Switch does well because it's a bunch of things that your smartphone isn't -- bigger screen, better controls, and also a home console that connects to your TV -- while still being small enough that it's easy to slip into a bag you might be carrying.
  - ruune 3y ago
    And smartphones aren't getting smaller either
- makeitdouble 3y ago
  I think it's more that there's mo market left for that. Emulation is a thing now, and small third party hardware makers are filling the niche. And at the other end phones have more power than even the Switch has. That's why the SteamDeck or ROG Ally are on the bigger side. Betting against the smartphone is a losing bet.
- cauthon 3y ago
  Is a switch lite that much larger than a GBA or DS?
- pupppet 3y ago
  Me too but with how popular the Switch is I guess we’re the minority. I never play my Switch undocked and all I can think about is how much beefier the internals could have been if they hadn’t made it a dual use device.
- theshrike79 3y ago
  If you want something pocketable, look into what Anbernic and Retroid are doing. They have, for example, OG Gameboy sized consoles with enough power to emulate everyting up to about PS1/Gamecube: https://anbernic.com/products/rg35xx https://anbernic.com/products/rg35xx
mrpopo 3y ago
That would not be very Nintendo to just deliver a powered-up version of their console, after already delivering an improved OLED model. The last incremental iteration would have been the GameBoy advance, but even then, the form factor changed a lot.
- cultofmetatron 3y ago
  they stumbled on the perfect form factor. why rock the boat?
  - mcphage 3y ago
    Nintendo is like simulated annealing with high temperature—they'll drop successful designs in favor of something new, to prevent getting stuck at a local maximum. The Gameboy Advance SP was a fantastic design, and then dropped it in favor of the Nintendo DS. That was a good change.
  - slothtrop 3y ago
    Newly increased competition with the Steam Deck and others, and more than one iteration of the Switch already. Maybe a novelty factor to draw in consumers. The Wii U bombed, a console that played it safe, and the story we're told is it was because the name confused consumers / was improperly marketed. I'm not sure that's the whole picture, but this is a risk yet again with the release of the OLED and Switch lite not that long ago. They still have the "Nintendo advantage" of their products being unique and family-oriented on the market, but that's not always enough. At any rate the timing seems to be right (notwithstanding supply issues), it's roughly a decade since the Switch was originally released. Sony and MSFT already made the jump. Another consideration: I'm not sure what the innovation/novelty options are at this point. Maybe they don't have much of a choice but to capitalize on a rock-solid 1st party line-up. Right now I think Nintendo does couch co-op better than anyone else, so they could drive that even further.
- kemayo 3y ago
  More recently, there was the New Nintendo 3DS. It was mostly backwards-compatible, but did have exclusive games.
mbork_pl 3y ago
Honest question from a videogame noob who considers buying a console for someone as a Christmas gift: does that mean that there is a chance of getting a Switch 1 (new, not used) cheaper soon?
- cowsup 3y ago
  For one, all of the rumors point to the next console being aimed for 2024, so it won't be there in time for Christmas. For another, Nintendo rarely discounts their main consoles just because a successor comes out. The "Nintendo 2DS" system went to its lowest price of $100 MSRP in 2015[0], one year before the Switch was even announced, and included a free game. But when the Switch came out, neither the 3DS/2DS systems, nor the home console Wii U, saw a price drop in response. Other consoles, like their Wii, Gamecube, and DS, saw price drops near the end of the lifespan, but not in response to the new console coming out. And the Switch has kept its same MSRP this entire time, not counting the Switch Lite coming out at a cheaper price tag. Not to say that'll never happen, but historically, the price cut would've happened by now... [0] https://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2015/08/20/nintendo-cuts-price-of-2ds-to-under-100-includes-mario-kart-7.aspx https://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2015/08/20/ninte...
- washadjeffmad 3y ago
  Doubtful, unless the Switch 1 line is discontinued. There are Lite ($199) and OLED ($349) models now, if you're looking for something other than the standard ($299).
- r00fus 3y ago
  What's wrong with used? Craigslist is best as you can ostensibly ask seller to demo it for you briefly before you buy and it usually comes with their game catalog as well.
  - mbork_pl 3y ago
    Nothing, but I'd prefer to buy a new one as a gift. Also, the second-hand market is probably way smaller here in Poland, and shipping from the US is pretty expensive.
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j-kent 3y ago
> One Switch 2 demo is a souped up version of Switch launch title Zelda: Breath of the Wild, designed to hit the Switch 2's beefier target specs. (To be clear, though - this is just a tech demo. There's no suggestion the game will be re-released.) This is Nintendo. They'll re-release it.
lostmsu 3y ago
Will it still have an extremely outdated web browser?
unpopularopp 3y ago
I'm curious: how senior you have to be at a company to attend a demo like this? Probably it was shown for the AAA industry right, like EA, Ubisoft, Epic etc.? Do they invite competitors as well? Microsoft has games on the Switch. So obviously there is an NDA but is it the C-suite or the senior engineers who can have a look?
- tgaede 3y ago
  In the past, the audience is game studio heads and their producers to get the ideas flowing on what the novel capabilities of the new system are and how they can design games for it. Maybe some top engineering folks. Also for nintendo to get feedback from studios - "ah, yes, we've been thinking of doing augmented reality and it would be really cool if the camera had X feature so we can do Y in our game". AAA for sure, likely most indie shops. In the past direct competitors would not be invited.

36 points by haunter 3y ago

> Developer presentations for Switch 2 took place behind closed doors, Eurogamer understands, with partners shown tech demos of how well the system is designed to run. > One Switch 2 demo is a souped up version of Switch launch title Zelda: Breath of the Wild, designed to hit the Switch 2's beefier target specs. (To be clear, though - this is just a tech demo. There's no suggestion the game will be re-released.) Interesting that it's just the graphics being shown off. Its not clear if it's a "switch 2" or if it'll have other strange hardware/form factor quirks, all we have so far is "the graphics hardware will be better". One hopes it'll be good.

drooopy 3y ago
I would double-dip for a beefed up version of ToTK that can run at a constant 60 FPS but I really wish thay they would release it as a free update.
zzbzq 3y ago
Actually, just straight-up re-releasing remasters of the games might be a way to make backward compatibility work as a business model. I'm really cynical that, while the consumers in threads like this widely consider the backward compatibility to be an obvious choice, it just doesn't make business sense in a world where certain companies in particular make such a killing by perpetually re-selling the same games back to the same people over and over again. It's too lucrative and too effective. But if you can make the system backward compatible and still sell them those games a second time anyway, it's a win/win.
- jerf 3y ago
  You can see them doing this with the WiiU lineup, which it turns out in hindsight had a lot of good games for it. But this works for them precisely because "nobody" bought those games, and there was still a good amount of time between rereleases. I don't think Nintendo is dim enough to release a Switch 2 next year and try to re-release Breath of the Wild for it. In fact I'll go out on a limb and suggest that based on previous console lifecycles, and the way the 1st party support tends to trail off towards the end of the cycle so they can dev on the new console so it can have a release line up, and the way that (current) Switch releases are powering through like there isn't a new console coming out in a year, that we're looking at a very high probability of a 100% backwards compatible console here. Otherwise I think they'd be holding more of this stuff back for the next release. With the way consoles work nowadays it'd be pretty easy for them to release a new engine for BotW/TotK for a Switch 2 that just comes down as a patch like any other when you plug the cartridge in. And you hardly even need a new engine just to push out a higher res display, as emulators prove.
- chainwax 3y ago
  I have to imagine the Steam Deck playing in the same price bracket (the refurb base model was going for $320), Nintendo _may_ feel the pressure to support backwards compatibility. Why buy a new device and Breath of the Wild over again when you could just get a Deck and play a large % of ever PC game to have ever existed? Nintendo is also in a different position this time around, as the WiiU, DS, 3DS, etc had such different hardware that remaking a game for the Switch was essentially a necessity, whereas I expect the Switch 2 to be a Switch with faster hardware.
  - kouteiheika 3y ago
    > Why buy a new device and Breath of the Wild over again when you could just get a Deck and play a large % of ever PC game to have ever existed? ...and still be able to play Breath of the Wild on it. (Although, to be fail, the mainstream user probably won't be doing that.)
    - jamespo 3y ago
      if you enjoy terrible performance for switch games, playing them on a SD is one way to do it
    - mattl 3y ago
      Day 1 Switch owner and very early Deck owner. I don’t play with the deck enough because a lot of stuff is fiddly once you get away from the Steam store. I’ve seen lots of talk about emulators and things but it’s not terribly easy to set up.
- slothtrop 3y ago
  Many of the new ps4 titles have "free upgrade" to the ps5 version on offer, for instance Armored Core 6. However, the largest difference between versions seems to be frame rate and resolution. I wonder if Nintendo would consider that for actual graphical upgrades.
Cthulhu_ 3y ago
I predict they'll play it safe; same form factor (but iterated on, like the oled model), backwards compatible, just faster and/or better battery life. There's few things they NEED to improve on the device. I hope it'll be like the PS4 Pro though (or cross-generation PS/xbox games), where developers are not allowed to make their game "switch 2 only". It didn't work at all for their "New Nintendo 2/3DS" line, only a small handful of games ended up being made or optimized for the improved hardware (https://www.reddit.com/r/3DS/wiki/exclusives/ https://www.reddit.com/r/3DS/wiki/exclusives/)
- slothtrop 3y ago
  I think the last couple of Switch hardware versions filled that niche. This is meant to be a brand new console. It's interesting that they're keeping the Switch name, considering how that panned out with the Wii U.
rjh29 3y ago
Zelda: BOTW and TOTK are both ridiculous achievements on the Switch hardware. 30fps and usually no framedrops even with the huge field of view, physics engine, volumetric clouds, wind and rain modelling and so on. While obviously a higher framerate or better LoD would be nice, they've made the game playable enough on Switch 1 that I'm not that bothered, and that's an amazing achievement.

mcphage 3y ago

There really isn't any information about the console in this article, just that it was demoed. Which is to be expected if they're releasing next year. And if they're not releasing next year, I'm not sure what they expect to sell.

GaggiX 3y ago

I imagine it would be a better tablet, hopefully it would also have complete backward compatibility. Edit: I see there are a lot of replies already on my comment but I need to add more thoughts to it, I have the feeling that if Nintendo is going to release a better tablet with complete backward compatibility with the Switch, most developers will continue to develop for the original console instead of developing games for the new hardware as the Switch has sold >120mln of consoles, this is good for the consumer but it's probably not what Nintendo would want if their new generation console is seen as a "New 3ds" (there are only a dozen of games that run exclusively on this console, all the others run on the original hardware).

ksec 3y ago
>complete backward compatibility That would mean Nvidia SoC. The first gen Switch choose Nvidia because they were cheap, and Nvidia were despite to get their SoC into some use. With today's Nvidia I am just worried Nintendo isn't getting any decent deals.
- bryanlarsen 3y ago
  If 99.9% compatibility is good enough they could probably switch vendors if they reimplemented NVN on a different SOC, assuming that Nintendo was smart enough to retain the rights to reimplement NVN. Reimplementing NVN is a big lift so NVidia certainly has the inside track but it's probably enough of a threat that Nintendo has some negotiating power.
- hospitalJail 3y ago
  Worried is a weird word when we are talking about Nintendo. Nintendo is scummy AF advertising/marketing to children and their constant abuse of fans for playing recreationally with IP. Nintendo is probably a negative externality given their marketing to children. To this day, I still have a mental illness of obsession to their games, and I hate playing them.
  - AlexandrB 3y ago
    I'll take whatever Nintendo is doing over gambling and fomo-baited cash shops in games any day. Though Nintendo's popular mobile games are as bad as any mobile gacha "experience".

hashtag-til 3y ago

FAQ: When is the optimal time to sell your used Switch 1?

mattl 3y ago
What model do you have?
- hashtag-til 3y ago
  The regular Nintendo Switch (non-OLED).
  - bobsmooth 3y ago
    They'll retain value to people wanting a moddable switch.
    - mattl 3y ago
      I think even then it depends on what model/revision but yes, for sure.
wil421 3y ago
I sold my old 2080 at the right time and made $100 but I was out a graphics card for over a year. Sold my steam deck as well and only lost about $75. Due to kids I didnt have time to play it along with the switch and some desktop PC games. Check eBay prices and local Craigslist/FB market place.
- Ennea 3y ago
  Making $100 and not having a graphics card for over a year does not work out to "sold at the right time" for me somehow.
  - wil421 3y ago
    It’s impossible for me to game on 3 consoles due to time constraints. Juggling 2/3 (switch/deck) and switching 2/3 (switch/PC) a year later is not a big deal. I had an intel CPU with an integrated GPU at the time and a laptop and servers at home.

top_sigrid 3y ago

https://archive.ph/xft0r https://archive.ph/xft0r

darklycan51 3y ago

I know console people won't like this but I wish the went back to two consoles, I hate how big the switch is, all my life I bought nintendo portables only cause they were small and I could bring in my pocket...

kemayo 3y ago
I think that in this day and age that niche is pretty much filled by smartphones, though. Not perfectly, but enough that it's hard to compete. The Switch does well because it's a bunch of things that your smartphone isn't -- bigger screen, better controls, and also a home console that connects to your TV -- while still being small enough that it's easy to slip into a bag you might be carrying.
- ruune 3y ago
  And smartphones aren't getting smaller either
makeitdouble 3y ago
I think it's more that there's mo market left for that. Emulation is a thing now, and small third party hardware makers are filling the niche. And at the other end phones have more power than even the Switch has. That's why the SteamDeck or ROG Ally are on the bigger side. Betting against the smartphone is a losing bet.
cauthon 3y ago
Is a switch lite that much larger than a GBA or DS?
pupppet 3y ago
Me too but with how popular the Switch is I guess we’re the minority. I never play my Switch undocked and all I can think about is how much beefier the internals could have been if they hadn’t made it a dual use device.
theshrike79 3y ago
If you want something pocketable, look into what Anbernic and Retroid are doing. They have, for example, OG Gameboy sized consoles with enough power to emulate everyting up to about PS1/Gamecube: https://anbernic.com/products/rg35xx https://anbernic.com/products/rg35xx

mrpopo 3y ago

That would not be very Nintendo to just deliver a powered-up version of their console, after already delivering an improved OLED model. The last incremental iteration would have been the GameBoy advance, but even then, the form factor changed a lot.

cultofmetatron 3y ago
they stumbled on the perfect form factor. why rock the boat?
- mcphage 3y ago
  Nintendo is like simulated annealing with high temperature—they'll drop successful designs in favor of something new, to prevent getting stuck at a local maximum. The Gameboy Advance SP was a fantastic design, and then dropped it in favor of the Nintendo DS. That was a good change.
- slothtrop 3y ago
  Newly increased competition with the Steam Deck and others, and more than one iteration of the Switch already. Maybe a novelty factor to draw in consumers. The Wii U bombed, a console that played it safe, and the story we're told is it was because the name confused consumers / was improperly marketed. I'm not sure that's the whole picture, but this is a risk yet again with the release of the OLED and Switch lite not that long ago. They still have the "Nintendo advantage" of their products being unique and family-oriented on the market, but that's not always enough. At any rate the timing seems to be right (notwithstanding supply issues), it's roughly a decade since the Switch was originally released. Sony and MSFT already made the jump. Another consideration: I'm not sure what the innovation/novelty options are at this point. Maybe they don't have much of a choice but to capitalize on a rock-solid 1st party line-up. Right now I think Nintendo does couch co-op better than anyone else, so they could drive that even further.
kemayo 3y ago
More recently, there was the New Nintendo 3DS. It was mostly backwards-compatible, but did have exclusive games.

mbork_pl 3y ago

Honest question from a videogame noob who considers buying a console for someone as a Christmas gift: does that mean that there is a chance of getting a Switch 1 (new, not used) cheaper soon?

cowsup 3y ago
For one, all of the rumors point to the next console being aimed for 2024, so it won't be there in time for Christmas. For another, Nintendo rarely discounts their main consoles just because a successor comes out. The "Nintendo 2DS" system went to its lowest price of $100 MSRP in 2015[0], one year before the Switch was even announced, and included a free game. But when the Switch came out, neither the 3DS/2DS systems, nor the home console Wii U, saw a price drop in response. Other consoles, like their Wii, Gamecube, and DS, saw price drops near the end of the lifespan, but not in response to the new console coming out. And the Switch has kept its same MSRP this entire time, not counting the Switch Lite coming out at a cheaper price tag. Not to say that'll never happen, but historically, the price cut would've happened by now... [0] https://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2015/08/20/nintendo-cuts-price-of-2ds-to-under-100-includes-mario-kart-7.aspx https://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2015/08/20/ninte...
washadjeffmad 3y ago
Doubtful, unless the Switch 1 line is discontinued. There are Lite ($199) and OLED ($349) models now, if you're looking for something other than the standard ($299).
r00fus 3y ago
What's wrong with used? Craigslist is best as you can ostensibly ask seller to demo it for you briefly before you buy and it usually comes with their game catalog as well.
- mbork_pl 3y ago
  Nothing, but I'd prefer to buy a new one as a gift. Also, the second-hand market is probably way smaller here in Poland, and shipping from the US is pretty expensive.

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j-kent 3y ago

> One Switch 2 demo is a souped up version of Switch launch title Zelda: Breath of the Wild, designed to hit the Switch 2's beefier target specs. (To be clear, though - this is just a tech demo. There's no suggestion the game will be re-released.) This is Nintendo. They'll re-release it.

lostmsu 3y ago

Will it still have an extremely outdated web browser?

unpopularopp 3y ago

I'm curious: how senior you have to be at a company to attend a demo like this? Probably it was shown for the AAA industry right, like EA, Ubisoft, Epic etc.? Do they invite competitors as well? Microsoft has games on the Switch. So obviously there is an NDA but is it the C-suite or the senior engineers who can have a look?

tgaede 3y ago
In the past, the audience is game studio heads and their producers to get the ideas flowing on what the novel capabilities of the new system are and how they can design games for it. Maybe some top engineering folks. Also for nintendo to get feedback from studios - "ah, yes, we've been thinking of doing augmented reality and it would be really cool if the camera had X feature so we can do Y in our game". AAA for sure, likely most indie shops. In the past direct competitors would not be invited.