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"Just delete tiktok" is like the diet advice "just eat less." Demonstrably impractical and debatably harmful. Perhaps better advice is to find things that are

"Just delete tiktok" is like the diet advice "just eat less." Demonstrably impractical and debatably harmful. Perhaps better advice is to find things that are immediately stimulating but also long-term rewarding (akin to finding food that tastes delicious and is filling but also is healthy).

LoganDark 3y ago
> Perhaps better advice is to find things that are immediately stimulating but also long-term rewarding (akin to finding food that tastes delicious and is filling but also is healthy). Do such things even exist? because my ADHD says no.
- tayo42 3y ago
  Sports, hobbies, books, various art forms
  - mnk47 3y ago
    People with ADHD are known to pick up a million hobbies, books and art forms but struggle sticking to them, because the initial stimulation from novelty is stronger than anything else. Playing a sport or an instrument is fun, but getting good at it requires strong discipline, precisely because it's not fun. The only thing that truly helps with this is the right type and dosage of meds.
    - tayo42 3y ago
      I was just answering the question that fulfilling things exist. I wasn't trying to cure adhd. Of course go talk to a pro and get real coping tools and medicine if needed to use.
      - LoganDark 3y ago
        Those things aren't necessarily "long-term fulfilling" for people with ADHD. The only things that have been that way for me are chatting with friends and programming. Everything else (and trust me, there's a lot of everything else) I instantly get depressed that I suck, give up, and lose the ability to ever try again.
- zug_zug 3y ago
  Well maybe not yet, but there's no reason we couldn't invent one. I can think of 10 ways to make an app like tiktok that's more social and promotes building relationships with people in your vicinity. I bet you could too.
  - logN_2 3y ago
    How would an app build relationships?
    - zug_zug 3y ago
      People already build relationships through apps that wouldn't have otherwise happened (be it discord or tinder), though neither is really very good at that. If you want to build relationships with people who live near you the app should have some element of seeing content from people nearby you (presumably within your age bracket too). And also more interactivity from viewers (you can see a moderate amount of interactivity even in youtube communities).
      - LoganDark 3y ago
        I don't know, Discord is the best for me because I can just talk to people without the app trying to cause something that needs to happen naturally.
        zug_zug 3y ago
        Discord totally does encourage creating social connections. It has the idea of "friends", and does things like show you what games people are playing to enable people to join in games together or at the very least chat about it.
        LoganDark 3y ago
        I use the friends list to DM people without sharing a server with them, that's it. Isn't that what friends lists have always been anyway?
nonethewiser 3y ago
But arent people using tiktok because its the best at stimulating them? I don’t necessarily think there is something that scratches the same itch but is good. Its OK to be bored. Our minds latch onto social media, news, video games, etc. like drugs. Not reaching for the screen and finding something physical to do is remarkably like meditation, where you notice your mind latching onto some thought then make the decision to refocus on your breath.
wpietri 3y ago
Oh? Since it's demonstrable, please demonstrate how impractical that is. Once the writing was on the wall for Musk's takeover of Twitter, I quit. After being a daily user for many years. It was not easy, but it was also not impractical. And I'm better off for it.
SkyMarshal 3y ago
You picked the wrong analogy. Caloric restriction is both demonstrably practical and beneficial in numerous ways - bmi, longevity, anti-cancer, and general well-being to name a few.
ClassyJacket 3y ago
"like the diet advice "just eat less." Demonstrably impractical and debatably harmful" What are you talking about? That is the correct, and only way, to lose weight.
brigadier132 3y ago
We are comparing tiktok to eating? You know, eating which we need for survival?
thefz 3y ago
> "Just delete tiktok" is like the diet advice "just eat less." Demonstrably impractical and debatably harmful. I am 100% sure that not looking at tiktok is going to harm you in any way.

LoganDark 3y ago

> Perhaps better advice is to find things that are immediately stimulating but also long-term rewarding (akin to finding food that tastes delicious and is filling but also is healthy). Do such things even exist? because my ADHD says no.

tayo42 3y ago
Sports, hobbies, books, various art forms
- mnk47 3y ago
  People with ADHD are known to pick up a million hobbies, books and art forms but struggle sticking to them, because the initial stimulation from novelty is stronger than anything else. Playing a sport or an instrument is fun, but getting good at it requires strong discipline, precisely because it's not fun. The only thing that truly helps with this is the right type and dosage of meds.
  - tayo42 3y ago
    I was just answering the question that fulfilling things exist. I wasn't trying to cure adhd. Of course go talk to a pro and get real coping tools and medicine if needed to use.
    - LoganDark 3y ago
      Those things aren't necessarily "long-term fulfilling" for people with ADHD. The only things that have been that way for me are chatting with friends and programming. Everything else (and trust me, there's a lot of everything else) I instantly get depressed that I suck, give up, and lose the ability to ever try again.
zug_zug 3y ago
Well maybe not yet, but there's no reason we couldn't invent one. I can think of 10 ways to make an app like tiktok that's more social and promotes building relationships with people in your vicinity. I bet you could too.
- logN_2 3y ago
  How would an app build relationships?
  - zug_zug 3y ago
    People already build relationships through apps that wouldn't have otherwise happened (be it discord or tinder), though neither is really very good at that. If you want to build relationships with people who live near you the app should have some element of seeing content from people nearby you (presumably within your age bracket too). And also more interactivity from viewers (you can see a moderate amount of interactivity even in youtube communities).
    - LoganDark 3y ago
      I don't know, Discord is the best for me because I can just talk to people without the app trying to cause something that needs to happen naturally.
      - zug_zug 3y ago
        Discord totally does encourage creating social connections. It has the idea of "friends", and does things like show you what games people are playing to enable people to join in games together or at the very least chat about it.
        LoganDark 3y ago
        I use the friends list to DM people without sharing a server with them, that's it. Isn't that what friends lists have always been anyway?

nonethewiser 3y ago

But arent people using tiktok because its the best at stimulating them? I don’t necessarily think there is something that scratches the same itch but is good. Its OK to be bored. Our minds latch onto social media, news, video games, etc. like drugs. Not reaching for the screen and finding something physical to do is remarkably like meditation, where you notice your mind latching onto some thought then make the decision to refocus on your breath.

wpietri 3y ago

Oh? Since it's demonstrable, please demonstrate how impractical that is. Once the writing was on the wall for Musk's takeover of Twitter, I quit. After being a daily user for many years. It was not easy, but it was also not impractical. And I'm better off for it.

SkyMarshal 3y ago

You picked the wrong analogy. Caloric restriction is both demonstrably practical and beneficial in numerous ways - bmi, longevity, anti-cancer, and general well-being to name a few.

ClassyJacket 3y ago

"like the diet advice "just eat less." Demonstrably impractical and debatably harmful" What are you talking about? That is the correct, and only way, to lose weight.

brigadier132 3y ago

We are comparing tiktok to eating? You know, eating which we need for survival?

thefz 3y ago

> "Just delete tiktok" is like the diet advice "just eat less." Demonstrably impractical and debatably harmful. I am 100% sure that not looking at tiktok is going to harm you in any way.