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Cal Newport: Overstimulation Is Ruining Your Life
- zug_zug 3y ago"Just delete tiktok" is like the diet advice "just eat less." Demonstrably impractical and debatably harmful. Perhaps better advice is to find things that are immediately stimulating but also long-term rewarding (akin to finding food that tastes delicious and is filling but also is healthy).
- LoganDark 3y ago> Perhaps better advice is to find things that are immediately stimulating but also long-term rewarding (akin to finding food that tastes delicious and is filling but also is healthy). Do such things even exist? because my ADHD says no.
- tayo42 3y agoSports, hobbies, books, various art forms
- mnk47 3y agoPeople with ADHD are known to pick up a million hobbies, books and art forms but struggle sticking to them, because the initial stimulation from novelty is stronger than anything else. Playing a sport or an instrument is fun, but getting good at it requires strong discipline, precisely because it's not fun. The only thing that truly helps with this is the right type and dosage of meds.
- tayo42 3y agoI was just answering the question that fulfilling things exist. I wasn't trying to cure adhd. Of course go talk to a pro and get real coping tools and medicine if needed to use.
- LoganDark 3y agoThose things aren't necessarily "long-term fulfilling" for people with ADHD. The only things that have been that way for me are chatting with friends and programming. Everything else (and trust me, there's a lot of everything else) I instantly get depressed that I suck, give up, and lose the ability to ever try again.
- zug_zug 3y agoWell maybe not yet, but there's no reason we couldn't invent one. I can think of 10 ways to make an app like tiktok that's more social and promotes building relationships with people in your vicinity. I bet you could too.
- logN_2 3y agoHow would an app build relationships?
- zug_zug 3y agoPeople already build relationships through apps that wouldn't have otherwise happened (be it discord or tinder), though neither is really very good at that. If you want to build relationships with people who live near you the app should have some element of seeing content from people nearby you (presumably within your age bracket too). And also more interactivity from viewers (you can see a moderate amount of interactivity even in youtube communities).
- LoganDark 3y agoI don't know, Discord is the best for me because I can just talk to people without the app trying to cause something that needs to happen naturally.
- zug_zug 3y agoDiscord totally does encourage creating social connections. It has the idea of "friends", and does things like show you what games people are playing to enable people to join in games together or at the very least chat about it.
- LoganDark 3y agoI use the friends list to DM people without sharing a server with them, that's it. Isn't that what friends lists have always been anyway?
- nonethewiser 3y agoBut arent people using tiktok because its the best at stimulating them? I don’t necessarily think there is something that scratches the same itch but is good. Its OK to be bored. Our minds latch onto social media, news, video games, etc. like drugs. Not reaching for the screen and finding something physical to do is remarkably like meditation, where you notice your mind latching onto some thought then make the decision to refocus on your breath.
- wpietri 3y agoOh? Since it's demonstrable, please demonstrate how impractical that is. Once the writing was on the wall for Musk's takeover of Twitter, I quit. After being a daily user for many years. It was not easy, but it was also not impractical. And I'm better off for it.
- SkyMarshal 3y agoYou picked the wrong analogy. Caloric restriction is both demonstrably practical and beneficial in numerous ways - bmi, longevity, anti-cancer, and general well-being to name a few.
- ClassyJacket 3y ago"like the diet advice "just eat less." Demonstrably impractical and debatably harmful" What are you talking about? That is the correct, and only way, to lose weight.
- brigadier132 3y agoWe are comparing tiktok to eating? You know, eating which we need for survival?
- thefz 3y ago> "Just delete tiktok" is like the diet advice "just eat less." Demonstrably impractical and debatably harmful. I am 100% sure that not looking at tiktok is going to harm you in any way.
- ryankrage77 3y agoI'm skeptical of the 'dopamine detox' idea. It sounds too good to be true. I'm not sure how to explain other than writing out what I think it boils down to: "Here's your problem in an easy-to-understand way, and here's a simple-sounding thing you can do to fix it". The over-simplifications and implied promise of happiness and self-improvement sets off the same doubt for me as a lot of advertising and dark patterns.
- xwowsersx 3y agoHuberman on whether dopamine detox works: https://youtu.be/w8pg-4c0j3s https://youtu.be/w8pg-4c0j3s and https://youtu.be/xLORsLlcT48 https://youtu.be/xLORsLlcT48
- mark242 3y agoimho there are a lot of steps you can take to make your day-to-day feel better, even if it doesn't give a radical "oh I just turned everything around one day" kind of feeling. By default, don't have any notifications show on your lock screen unless they're from close family or friends (or you're a SRE whose job it is to deal with problems at 2am, but that's another story). Any app that isn't specifically human-to-human-communication-based probably doesn't need to be sending you notifications at all, ever. Keep track of your weekly screen time notifications from your operating system, and be mindful of having that trend upward. Set specific times in the day when you're going to look at random communications/email, and stick to those times -- if it helps, set a calendar time for that. The more you can get into that timed routine, the easier it is to reduce the total amount of time spent on distracting things and the more you'll be able to budget your time for deep work. Social media, it can be really tempting to feel fomo with friends/coworkers/family/etc. You'll feel like you're missing out at first, but that feeling does get smaller and smaller over time. You don't need to cut it out 100%; but what you need to do is eg stop that quick 2-minute refresh of the Gram when it's 10:30am and you really should be more productive. It isn't a magical self improvement routine, there isn't a promise of happiness, but eg reducing doomscrolling and reading shit comment responses and shit bird app threads and seeing shit clock app videos, it will give you a lot more mental energy.
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- Exuma 3y agoThe world doesnt need another twitter Overstimulation is ruining your life This guy can only write headlines if he's telling the entire population what is best for them. I couldn't be happier that I give zero fucks about what "cal newport" thinks is best
- serial_dev 3y agoI honestly would give zero fs about what he thinks is best, except for the fact that Cal Newport is the author of So Good They Can’t Ignore You and Deep Work, two books that changed how I view things and I believe made me understand better what's really going on in the world. Though I didn't become the Taylor Swift of coding, I think that I ended up in a good place in part thanks to his books. Another reason why this article probably resonated with many is that they see the issue in their own or their friends life. Some can't just simply work, or be with their loved ones, they constantly need something, YouTube in the background, minutes of scrolling through Twitter/HN/Facebook/Instagram, some addicted to porn, etc, and some started to pinpoint this issue to "overstimulation".
- Exuma 3y agoThat is awesome he helped you, I'm happy to hear that.
- dnissley 3y agoWhat practices did you adopt as a result of reading his books?
- serial_dev 3y agoNothing that sounds immediately impressive, just the small things that made an impact. I learned to notice when I interrupted my deep work, for example while waiting for the build to finish I'd browse HN, or watch YouTube videos while working, listening to podcasts in the background, etc. I no longer forced myself to work with the pomodoro technique as it intentionally interrupts your focus (it's still good if you struggle to get anything done at all). I also learned that the relatively small work needed to uplevel from being average to good (so that people in my field know me) is worth it, so organized meetups, gave talks and had a podcast. Another important point of his book (so good they can't ignore you) was that, paraphrasing, passion is BS, so I learned to push through the initial phase of learning something new and work hard enough to enjoy basically anything as I got better and better. It's not perfect, I'm not perfect, but it really helped me to stop being a scatterbrain, slightly below average developer.
- xwowsersx 3y agoAn insightful podcast from Andrew Huberman: "Controlling Your Dopamine For Motivation, Focus & Satisfaction | Huberman Lab Podcast #39" — https://youtu.be/QmOF0crdyRU https://youtu.be/QmOF0crdyRU And a clip: "Andrew Huberman - What Overusing Social Media Does To Your Brain" — https://youtu.be/Zh-AcF_4Hao https://youtu.be/Zh-AcF_4Hao
- mnk47 3y agoA bit of background on these people might be important here. Andrew is a neuroscientist, but a bit of a controversial one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_D._Huberman#Reception_and_criticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_D._Huberman#Reception_a... >In Time magazine, Huberman received praise for promoting interest in science.[5] However, he has been criticized by other scientists for prematurely applying the preliminary results of animal studies as having potential applications for humans.[5] >Jonathan Jarry at the McGill Office for Science and Society has questioned Huberman's promotion of controversial supplements. According to Jarry, Huberman Lab has been sponsored by "companies offering questionable products from the perspective of science-based medicine".[14] Cal Newport is a computer scientist. Zero background in neuroscience. Lastly, I think it should be noted that while heavy social media use is associated with depression, there's absolutely no scientific weight behind this "overstimulation" rhetoric.
- ericmay 3y agoI don’t find Huberman to be doing anything worse than any given scientist or book author from his podcast. He got popular so he gets criticized. Even Stephen Hawking has been criticized! For all we know Jonathan Jarry is deserving of criticism. Who is he again? Should I trust Stanford or McGill? Both? Neither? Myself? Don’t over think things here. Decide for yourself. Consult resources. Consult your physician.
- tomcam 3y agoI cane at it from a less interesting and less well expressed angle. You’ve nailed it.
- baobrien 3y ago'mindmatters.ai' being associated Discovery Institute, founded entirely to push creationism in US public education, is not a great sign for the credibility of this article.
- mholm 3y ago> Newport also suggested cutting out online news scrolling in favor of a few curated weekly newsletters As somebody currently trying to find this for US news, I've found that it's much harder than I thought: A lot of focus on summarizing a bunch of things that don't matter, instead of focusing on the things that do. Does anybody have any suggestions?
- flipnotic 3y agoDepending on what you're looking for, you could subscribe to the Sunday edition of your local (or national) newspaper.
- apsurd 3y agoMay not be answering your question but I feel like U.S. news is kind of false value. Do we really need to know what's going on at the Federal level? At least not at any sub-quarterly cadence. I use Apple News to swipe right and see various happenings on the local level. There's national stuff too, it's not perfect by any means, but point being all of it is mostly a distraction vs actually need-to-know.
- meristohm 3y agoIf you regularly call your representatives, knowing what's happening at a federal level is helpful. Likewise if you set aside money to donate to causes you value.
- dbrueck 3y agohttps://www.readtangle.com/ https://www.readtangle.com/
- nhod 3y agoI have a few I love! NextDraft https://nextdraft.com https://nextdraft.com is written by Dave Pell. Dave is from the 90’s-era “digerati,” folks like Kevin Kelly and Louis Rossetto. He signs each newsletter “Editor, Internet.” He surfaces the news of the day and provides hilarious and sometimes poignant commentary on it. He has a decidedly “San Francisco left-wing” viewpoint. If that’s your jam, his newsletter is an absolute treat. I truly love that man. I also love Pirate Wares https://piratewares.com https://piratewares.com, Mike Solana’s newsletter. Mike has neither really a left or right viewpoint. He’s more of the type to sit above left or right and point out there are multiple other dimensions and forces at work. Covers tech, news, finance, science. I also really like Bloomberg’s Open and Close newsletters, and I LOVE Matt Levine’s Bloomberg Money Stuff newsletter, though it isn’t so much focused on general news as it is on finance. But again, what an absolute treat it is to read him. Love him.
- galaxyLogic 3y agoSo something triggers more dopamine in our brain, and that gives us a desired to catch the thing that triggered the dopamine? Is that it? Could we say that dopamine is what causes us to experience "lust"? Do we crave for dopamine, or is experiencing dopamine the same thing as experiencing a graving? Do nicotine addicts have a lot of dopamine in their brain when they crave the next cigarette? Then when they get the cigarette, does that remove the dopamine (-activity) from their brain?
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- Atrine 3y agoI find Cal Newport and the world around him very interesting. He's a CS computer geek that plays arm-chair psychologist in all his popular work. I've often wondered where his abilities breakdown and I think the article nails it: "While there are many opinions and resources on how to best regulate overstimulation and overcome digital addictions, Newport’s directive is refreshingly simple: get rid of those things that are overstimulating you." Really what this is saying is that there are many opinions and resources backed by research and psychological study that has complicated answers. And that Newport's solution is so simple is that it almost equates to "feeling depressed? Don't!" So yeah, while Newport has interesting ideas and can boil things down for us techies to get behind (sometimes), he doesn't fully know what he's talking about. He's not really a trained psychologist and clearly doesn't understand things at a deep level. He's basically talking to people that are like him rather than people at large.
- brezelnbitte 3y agoBut where are the psychologists to supplant him? And this advice isn't that bad. It's similar to diet advice. Diet is complicated so experts just say to restrict calories whether that's through reduced carbs, reduced fat or pretending to eat like a caveman.
- tomcam 3y agoI have no opinion on him. I can tell you I have gone to probably a dozen therapists and have received precious little to help and quite a bit more that hurt me. Psychology is not even close to a science. You can’t make false a falsifiable assertions and test them reliably. I would trust his assertions slightly more, perhaps, than those of most psychologists.
- mnk47 3y agoWell, he's not a neuroscientist either. Nor a psychiatrist. So GP's main point still holds.
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- rukuu001 3y agoWhether it's universally true or not, I personally found an unexpected week with sketchy-to-no internet made a huge difference to my ability to focus. I realised that my ability to think about things for an extended period of time is derailed by social scrolling. Reading a book (for example) doesn't have the same effect. So now I'm careful about what I look at online - HN, a mainstream news site, Matt Levine are my only 'entertainment' content.
- thefz 3y agoAnecdotal, but I removed every social media application from my phone, keeping only the essentials such as email, banking, maps, messaging and RSS. I don't check it anymore. I forget where it is, I feel free.
- diimdeep 3y agoPerspective in video feel shallow, and reminds kind of content with a lot of, "you just gotta, like, do, man." (hustle porn) [1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36766509 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36766509 On consumerism, screens there is sci-fi perspective in Victor Pelevin's book Homo Zapiens[1]. I recommend to read thru original text. But here I tried to interpret it's reasoning through gpt4 [2] and gpt3[3] with perspective from other works. Homo Zapiens term describes individuals in this state of being controlled by TV. It highlights that modern humans spend a significant part of their lives in this condition, leading to a loss of true consciousness and self-identity. Wow-factors emerge as powerful forces that capture and monopolize attention. Overstimulation, driven by the constant bombardment of visual and psychological stimuli through screens and media, can lead to a range of detrimental effects on individuals' lives, loss of individuality, manipulation of desires, strain on relationships, mood disturbances, and cognitive impairments. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_"П" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_"П" [2] gpt4 https://chat.openai.com/share/863d4a3f-330f-4f88-b53a-d95d909ae2a3 https://chat.openai.com/share/863d4a3f-330f-4f88-b53a-d95d90... [3] gpt3 https://chat.openai.com/share/af674cf0-a163-4190-a290-638a0e004462 https://chat.openai.com/share/af674cf0-a163-4190-a290-638a0e...
- jauntywundrkind 3y agoBeing connected to the #noosphere does possess a real danger to out-shadow the local world & what one & those around them can and are doing. I dislike the idea as it's phrased because it's all stick & not carrot. It has "over" in the name which by definition is bad but I feel like people have some really great modes when they are super heavily stimulated, but they need conduits for it to matter, for it to feed into things one can do or learn from or expand from. The danger to me is so much of the stimulation is parasocial, that it doesn't really intersect with our own agencies or agencies we really brush up against, except very very indirectly. Curating a local locus if high control can be hard when also staying plugged into the firehouse. But I still recommend trying it!!