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I actually agree with that. To me it looks like a "crime" without victims. Yeah it is disgusting, but who is suffering or being molested or abused here?

by dudul 3y ago

Sal0xFF 3y ago
I agree there's no victims. Just like a drunk driver who drives from point A to point B without killing anyone or causing any damage. There's laws in place to prevent that behavior though. If a cop pulls you over for a broken tail light, you bet he's going to arrest you if you're under the influence -- to prevent bad outcomes. There's an attempt to squash these behaviors through punishment with jail time, reputation, and financial costs. Maybe some rehabilitation with AA. I think the same should be placed on this too. It's a slippery slope as a society if we let this slide.
- madhatter999 3y ago
  Now if you were drunk while playing Need for Speed, that wouldn’t be a problem because there is no “real” humans being endangered by your actions.
- Turskarama 3y ago
  > Just like a drunk driver who drives from point A to point B without killing anyone or causing any damage I don't think this is a good analogy. There's strong evidence that drink driving increases the risk of accidents, which is why it's illegal. Child porn is illegal because children are harmed to make it. It's _possible_ that the existence of child porn increases the chance of a pedophile acting on their urges, but if there is I don't know of any studies. An analogous (and more ethical) study might be whether or not people have more sex in places where pornography is easily accessible, but I have my doubts. It's well documented that young people are having less sex in general than previous generations and porn is more accessible than it's ever been, so if anything it appears the correlation might go the other way. EDIT: I think the other far more compelling argument is that allowing any child sex images to exist at all normalizes it, and could make people consider it less harmful. Could it increase the rates in which people who are otherwise not pedophiles abuse children? I don't know the answer but it seems like a question worth asking.
Jigsy 3y ago
Obviously if it's using actual CSAM then the image in question should be illegal, but that sounds like something that would already be covered under existing laws anyway.

I actually agree with that. To me it looks like a "crime" without victims. Yeah it is disgusting, but who is suffering or being molested or abused here?

by dudul 3y ago

I actually agree with that. To me it looks like a "crime" without victims. Yeah it is disgusting, but who is suffering or being molested or abused here?

Sal0xFF 3y ago

I agree there's no victims. Just like a drunk driver who drives from point A to point B without killing anyone or causing any damage. There's laws in place to prevent that behavior though. If a cop pulls you over for a broken tail light, you bet he's going to arrest you if you're under the influence -- to prevent bad outcomes. There's an attempt to squash these behaviors through punishment with jail time, reputation, and financial costs. Maybe some rehabilitation with AA. I think the same should be placed on this too. It's a slippery slope as a society if we let this slide.

madhatter999 3y ago
Now if you were drunk while playing Need for Speed, that wouldn’t be a problem because there is no “real” humans being endangered by your actions.
Turskarama 3y ago
> Just like a drunk driver who drives from point A to point B without killing anyone or causing any damage I don't think this is a good analogy. There's strong evidence that drink driving increases the risk of accidents, which is why it's illegal. Child porn is illegal because children are harmed to make it. It's _possible_ that the existence of child porn increases the chance of a pedophile acting on their urges, but if there is I don't know of any studies. An analogous (and more ethical) study might be whether or not people have more sex in places where pornography is easily accessible, but I have my doubts. It's well documented that young people are having less sex in general than previous generations and porn is more accessible than it's ever been, so if anything it appears the correlation might go the other way. EDIT: I think the other far more compelling argument is that allowing any child sex images to exist at all normalizes it, and could make people consider it less harmful. Could it increase the rates in which people who are otherwise not pedophiles abuse children? I don't know the answer but it seems like a question worth asking.

Jigsy 3y ago

Obviously if it's using actual CSAM then the image in question should be illegal, but that sounds like something that would already be covered under existing laws anyway.