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> Dietary risk factors (diet high in red meat, low in fruits, high in sodium and low in milk, etc), alcohol consumption and tobacco use are the main risk factor

> Dietary risk factors (diet high in red meat, low in fruits, high in sodium and low in milk, etc), alcohol consumption and tobacco use are the main risk factors underlying early-onset cancers. It seems it's the chemical we're putting in ourselves. No government blame needed.

mlinhares 3y ago
The average US diet is a direct result of lobbying and government action based on such lobbying, as it is visible if you go almost anywhere else, including poorer countries like the US neighbors in Latin America.
- seizethecheese 3y ago
  “Direct result”? I mean, sure it has a big effect, but supply and demand matter. For example, do you think Americans developed a taste for avocados due to lobbying?
  - J_Shelby_J 3y ago
    No, but the USDA made the food pyramid. The USDA represents agricultural interests. It does not represent consumers interests. That and the myriad of agricultural subsidies and especially corn subsides. Most Americans are above 50% corn… the same way my cat is made of water and cat food. Whether though consuming it directly or through meat and dairy fed on corn. The end result has been the SAD as we know it: food that’s cheap and profitable but unhealthy.
revscat 3y ago
This seems incredibly naive. Addiction affects peoples ability to make rational choices.
foolfoolz 3y ago
except these dietary factors make no sense / change so frequently they are almost science fads. tobacco use has dropped significantly in the last 30 years. sodium is now considered not that important, especially compared to sugar. low in milk contradicts the reality that milk is full of hormones and antibiotics we do an about face on lots of “dietary risk factors” every 5-10 years
- marcosdumay 3y ago
  If I'm reading the article correctly, those factors mean that current young smokers have a higher chance of dying from cancer than young smokers from the 90's. The probability is so much higher that the total of deaths increased by many tens of percent, while the total number of smokers decreased by an order of magnitude or so. I do agree that it makes no sense to blame the mortality on smoking. The change in smoking is clearly not what is leading it.
mellosouls 3y ago
It seems it's the chemical we're putting in ourselves. No government blame needed. Where does it say that alcohol and tobacco consumption have increased in the time period? In fact for at least one group, as expected, it's decreased as a ranking factor. So - while it's absolutely true that individuals must take responsibility for their choices, it seems reasonable to associate the increase with trends that have increased - highly processed foods etc. Not alcohol and tobacco. The criticism of government inaction and lobbying therefore seems a good default position to take.
coldtea 3y ago
>It seems it's the chemical we're putting in ourselves. No government blame needed. This has been facilitated by food industry compliant with legislators, so there's a lot of government blame needed.
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adaptbrian 3y ago
this sounds like the diet i started per the recommendation of my doctor after he kicked his migraines doing this. i am a long time sufferer of cluster headaches and this looks to be the first year ive been able to abate them for an entire cycle/year. low carb, low inflammatory, high protein ratio combined with heady/meaty lettuces and non root veggies. the american food pyramid is a farse and drastically needs to be updated.
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- CatWChainsaw 3y ago
  It was updated years ago to a plate layout showing how much space each food group should take up on your plate.
tacocataco 3y ago
Corn subsidies and the lack of regulation and consequences for corporations that pollute. Norfolk Southern still exists and still makes money off of critical infrastructure. Deny justice long enough, and people will get their own in the worst way possible one day.

mlinhares 3y ago

The average US diet is a direct result of lobbying and government action based on such lobbying, as it is visible if you go almost anywhere else, including poorer countries like the US neighbors in Latin America.

seizethecheese 3y ago
“Direct result”? I mean, sure it has a big effect, but supply and demand matter. For example, do you think Americans developed a taste for avocados due to lobbying?
- J_Shelby_J 3y ago
  No, but the USDA made the food pyramid. The USDA represents agricultural interests. It does not represent consumers interests. That and the myriad of agricultural subsidies and especially corn subsides. Most Americans are above 50% corn… the same way my cat is made of water and cat food. Whether though consuming it directly or through meat and dairy fed on corn. The end result has been the SAD as we know it: food that’s cheap and profitable but unhealthy.

revscat 3y ago

This seems incredibly naive. Addiction affects peoples ability to make rational choices.

foolfoolz 3y ago

except these dietary factors make no sense / change so frequently they are almost science fads. tobacco use has dropped significantly in the last 30 years. sodium is now considered not that important, especially compared to sugar. low in milk contradicts the reality that milk is full of hormones and antibiotics we do an about face on lots of “dietary risk factors” every 5-10 years

marcosdumay 3y ago
If I'm reading the article correctly, those factors mean that current young smokers have a higher chance of dying from cancer than young smokers from the 90's. The probability is so much higher that the total of deaths increased by many tens of percent, while the total number of smokers decreased by an order of magnitude or so. I do agree that it makes no sense to blame the mortality on smoking. The change in smoking is clearly not what is leading it.

mellosouls 3y ago

It seems it's the chemical we're putting in ourselves. No government blame needed. Where does it say that alcohol and tobacco consumption have increased in the time period? In fact for at least one group, as expected, it's decreased as a ranking factor. So - while it's absolutely true that individuals must take responsibility for their choices, it seems reasonable to associate the increase with trends that have increased - highly processed foods etc. Not alcohol and tobacco. The criticism of government inaction and lobbying therefore seems a good default position to take.

coldtea 3y ago

>It seems it's the chemical we're putting in ourselves. No government blame needed. This has been facilitated by food industry compliant with legislators, so there's a lot of government blame needed.

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adaptbrian 3y ago

this sounds like the diet i started per the recommendation of my doctor after he kicked his migraines doing this. i am a long time sufferer of cluster headaches and this looks to be the first year ive been able to abate them for an entire cycle/year. low carb, low inflammatory, high protein ratio combined with heady/meaty lettuces and non root veggies. the american food pyramid is a farse and drastically needs to be updated.

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CatWChainsaw 3y ago
It was updated years ago to a plate layout showing how much space each food group should take up on your plate.

tacocataco 3y ago

Corn subsidies and the lack of regulation and consequences for corporations that pollute. Norfolk Southern still exists and still makes money off of critical infrastructure. Deny justice long enough, and people will get their own in the worst way possible one day.