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I bet this can all be explained by the negligence of government to protect the public against dangerous chemicals in the water, food, and consumer products beca

I bet this can all be explained by the negligence of government to protect the public against dangerous chemicals in the water, food, and consumer products because of lobbying by private industry.

ceejayoz 3y ago
"Globally" and "worldwide" are right there in the abstract. edit: Parent post originally stated something about the "enshittification of the US".
- alexfromapex 3y ago
  The US has the largest global economy so probably has an outsized impact on this.
  - xeromal 3y ago
    Did you read the linked post?
    - alexfromapex 3y ago
      Yes, is there a problem with what I’ve articulated? Have you heard of Composition Fallacy or Simpson’s Paradox?
- donkeyd 3y ago
  Correct and the previous commenter is practicing some clear 'US Defaultism'. However, unrestricted Western consumerism is a massive part of what's happening worldwide. We all want cheap everything and nobody is stopping western companies from using the absolute worst suppliers and production methods for everything (exaggerated, but not much). Companies like 3M, Bayer, Dow, Shell and BP are polluting the whole world directly. Companies like H&M and Primark are doing it indirectly by using the cheapest supplier for mass market crap they sell. I recently heard that most bamboo fiber (which westerners buy because they think it's environmentally friendly) is produced in China, because the chemicals needed are extremely toxic and hard to properly process. In China they are just released into nature and as long as the Chinese company says they don't do that, the western companies can say they buy 'good fibers' and turn a blind eye to the pollution. This way we spread our love all around the world.
- sydbarrett74 3y ago
  The globe is being progressively enshittified by adopting a Western lifestyle.
- coldtea 3y ago
  >"Globally" and "worldwide" are right there in the abstract A lot of crappy food choices were spearheaded, exported, and promoted to death, by the US, anyway.
thinkingtoilet 3y ago
> Dietary risk factors (diet high in red meat, low in fruits, high in sodium and low in milk, etc), alcohol consumption and tobacco use are the main risk factors underlying early-onset cancers. It seems it's the chemical we're putting in ourselves. No government blame needed.
- mlinhares 3y ago
  The average US diet is a direct result of lobbying and government action based on such lobbying, as it is visible if you go almost anywhere else, including poorer countries like the US neighbors in Latin America.
  - seizethecheese 3y ago
    “Direct result”? I mean, sure it has a big effect, but supply and demand matter. For example, do you think Americans developed a taste for avocados due to lobbying?
    - J_Shelby_J 3y ago
      No, but the USDA made the food pyramid. The USDA represents agricultural interests. It does not represent consumers interests. That and the myriad of agricultural subsidies and especially corn subsides. Most Americans are above 50% corn… the same way my cat is made of water and cat food. Whether though consuming it directly or through meat and dairy fed on corn. The end result has been the SAD as we know it: food that’s cheap and profitable but unhealthy.
- revscat 3y ago
  This seems incredibly naive. Addiction affects peoples ability to make rational choices.
- foolfoolz 3y ago
  except these dietary factors make no sense / change so frequently they are almost science fads. tobacco use has dropped significantly in the last 30 years. sodium is now considered not that important, especially compared to sugar. low in milk contradicts the reality that milk is full of hormones and antibiotics we do an about face on lots of “dietary risk factors” every 5-10 years
ramraj07 3y ago
Agreed, It's definitely not a conspiracy that US federal regulatory authorities have gotten more lax, beuracratic and ineffective over the decades. One can still generally subscribe to a world view while being critical of its shortcomings.
macinjosh 3y ago
100%, I'd also add things like new kinds of pharmaceuticals that are rushed through regulator approvals and are heavily pushed by public health officials, and made free to the public (funded by tax dollars). The influence so strong in some cases that folks lost their jobs for declining the pharmaceutical product while pharma corporations raked in cash.
- hospitalJail 3y ago
  I don't mind access to untested drugs. I do mind that Physicians have 100% of control over which diagnosis and medicine they decide. Travel based medicine, science based medicine, AI based medicine, all seem like a welcome change from the US's Authority Based Medicine.
- hooverd 3y ago
  The COVID vaccine caused this?
Pxtl 3y ago
The problem is that we are exposed to so many chemicals, finding the culprit(s) for this kind of thing will be nigh impossible. The study said "(diet high in red meat, low in fruits, high in sodium and low in milk, etc)" which basically means "everywhere in the first world" since red meat is often too expensive in 3rd-world settings. And globalization means that every first world country is using the same products.
- JohnMakin 3y ago
  Everything is chemicals.
  - Pxtl 3y ago
    sigh don't be silly, you know what I mean. Plastics, aromatic hydrocarbons, endocrine disruptors, etc. You know, novel technologically produced chemicals (or natural chemicals in unnatural quantities) that may have negative impact on your body that we either are unaware of or have underestimated.
- eternityforest 3y ago
  But it's also easier than ever to be vegetarian in exactly all those same places. Whole grain products are everywhere. We've got more stuff like pasta made with vegetables or beans or the like, and we have vegan restaurant dishes and snack food options. I would say it's actually a lot easier than eating meat, because meat doesn't keep for long unless it's frozen, and is very expensive if you want anything high quality and ethically sourced. Low sodium is still hard though.
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I bet this can all be explained by the negligence of government to protect the public against dangerous chemicals in the water, food, and consumer products because of lobbying by private industry.

ceejayoz 3y ago

"Globally" and "worldwide" are right there in the abstract. edit: Parent post originally stated something about the "enshittification of the US".

alexfromapex 3y ago
The US has the largest global economy so probably has an outsized impact on this.
- xeromal 3y ago
  Did you read the linked post?
  - alexfromapex 3y ago
    Yes, is there a problem with what I’ve articulated? Have you heard of Composition Fallacy or Simpson’s Paradox?
donkeyd 3y ago
Correct and the previous commenter is practicing some clear 'US Defaultism'. However, unrestricted Western consumerism is a massive part of what's happening worldwide. We all want cheap everything and nobody is stopping western companies from using the absolute worst suppliers and production methods for everything (exaggerated, but not much). Companies like 3M, Bayer, Dow, Shell and BP are polluting the whole world directly. Companies like H&M and Primark are doing it indirectly by using the cheapest supplier for mass market crap they sell. I recently heard that most bamboo fiber (which westerners buy because they think it's environmentally friendly) is produced in China, because the chemicals needed are extremely toxic and hard to properly process. In China they are just released into nature and as long as the Chinese company says they don't do that, the western companies can say they buy 'good fibers' and turn a blind eye to the pollution. This way we spread our love all around the world.
sydbarrett74 3y ago
The globe is being progressively enshittified by adopting a Western lifestyle.
coldtea 3y ago
>"Globally" and "worldwide" are right there in the abstract A lot of crappy food choices were spearheaded, exported, and promoted to death, by the US, anyway.

thinkingtoilet 3y ago

> Dietary risk factors (diet high in red meat, low in fruits, high in sodium and low in milk, etc), alcohol consumption and tobacco use are the main risk factors underlying early-onset cancers. It seems it's the chemical we're putting in ourselves. No government blame needed.

mlinhares 3y ago
The average US diet is a direct result of lobbying and government action based on such lobbying, as it is visible if you go almost anywhere else, including poorer countries like the US neighbors in Latin America.
- seizethecheese 3y ago
  “Direct result”? I mean, sure it has a big effect, but supply and demand matter. For example, do you think Americans developed a taste for avocados due to lobbying?
  - J_Shelby_J 3y ago
    No, but the USDA made the food pyramid. The USDA represents agricultural interests. It does not represent consumers interests. That and the myriad of agricultural subsidies and especially corn subsides. Most Americans are above 50% corn… the same way my cat is made of water and cat food. Whether though consuming it directly or through meat and dairy fed on corn. The end result has been the SAD as we know it: food that’s cheap and profitable but unhealthy.
revscat 3y ago
This seems incredibly naive. Addiction affects peoples ability to make rational choices.
foolfoolz 3y ago
except these dietary factors make no sense / change so frequently they are almost science fads. tobacco use has dropped significantly in the last 30 years. sodium is now considered not that important, especially compared to sugar. low in milk contradicts the reality that milk is full of hormones and antibiotics we do an about face on lots of “dietary risk factors” every 5-10 years

ramraj07 3y ago

Agreed, It's definitely not a conspiracy that US federal regulatory authorities have gotten more lax, beuracratic and ineffective over the decades. One can still generally subscribe to a world view while being critical of its shortcomings.

macinjosh 3y ago

100%, I'd also add things like new kinds of pharmaceuticals that are rushed through regulator approvals and are heavily pushed by public health officials, and made free to the public (funded by tax dollars). The influence so strong in some cases that folks lost their jobs for declining the pharmaceutical product while pharma corporations raked in cash.

hospitalJail 3y ago
I don't mind access to untested drugs. I do mind that Physicians have 100% of control over which diagnosis and medicine they decide. Travel based medicine, science based medicine, AI based medicine, all seem like a welcome change from the US's Authority Based Medicine.
hooverd 3y ago
The COVID vaccine caused this?

Pxtl 3y ago

The problem is that we are exposed to so many chemicals, finding the culprit(s) for this kind of thing will be nigh impossible. The study said "(diet high in red meat, low in fruits, high in sodium and low in milk, etc)" which basically means "everywhere in the first world" since red meat is often too expensive in 3rd-world settings. And globalization means that every first world country is using the same products.

JohnMakin 3y ago
Everything is chemicals.
- Pxtl 3y ago
  sigh don't be silly, you know what I mean. Plastics, aromatic hydrocarbons, endocrine disruptors, etc. You know, novel technologically produced chemicals (or natural chemicals in unnatural quantities) that may have negative impact on your body that we either are unaware of or have underestimated.
eternityforest 3y ago
But it's also easier than ever to be vegetarian in exactly all those same places. Whole grain products are everywhere. We've got more stuff like pasta made with vegetables or beans or the like, and we have vegan restaurant dishes and snack food options. I would say it's actually a lot easier than eating meat, because meat doesn't keep for long unless it's frozen, and is very expensive if you want anything high quality and ethically sourced. Low sodium is still hard though.

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