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How do you buy a car that meets those criteria?

by 0xcafefood 3y ago

thfuran 3y ago
You don't.
- sam_lowry_ 3y ago
  In some places, this is not an option. I have a mechanical Euro-5 car without sim card nor infotainment system that I would not be able to use where I live by end 2024. Welcome to the EU and its low-emissions zones that span over many of its big cities.
  - hef19898 3y ago
    What? Besides Euro-5 emissions restricting access to cities in places, thoae cars are, will be, perfectly road legal in Europe...
  - TedDoesntTalk 3y ago
    What happens at the end of 2024 that your car won’t operate?
    - thfuran 3y ago
      Emissions standards change, from the sound of it.
  - ghusto 3y ago
    Retrofit, that's what I'm planning to do. Haven't looked into it a great deal yet because there's still plenty of time where I live, but I believe it's possible to get old cars to an emission standard that's compliant. It's not cheap, since it involves replacing the entire engine, but I'd still rather spend money on that than a new car.
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - Angostura 3y ago
    I have a 2016 Euro 6 car that has no tracking.
  - andreapaiola 3y ago
    Fake news?
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bell-cot 3y ago
I've heard of a few very-low-tech models, which are manufactured for NGO's to use in extremely remote places. Dunno if any of 'em would be street legal in a "normal" country. Those might qualify, and their sales process might be so customized that he could get such a contract. Maybe. Otherwise, I'd guess it'll be "whatever it costs" vehicles aimed at the uber-rich, and their personal security details.
- hef19898 3y ago
  It is basically impossible to get those road legal in Europe. I know, because those cars tend to be older MY Land Cruisers and such, with those big, old diesel engines. And there is a sub-culture that loves those. Still, the only way to get one of those is if the car is old enough to qualify as a classic. Similar to Land Rover Defenders and the US.
artursapek 3y ago
you buy a good used car from the first decade of the 2000s or earlier
- hef19898 3y ago
  Mid 90s, and you can qualify for a historical car registration in Germany (min. age 30 years). Problem is, with all those diesel limitqtions regarding city acces, and classical cars being excempt, there is a discussion going to either get rid of those classic car excemptions or to increase the minimum age to 40 years.
  - jen20 3y ago
    I'd imagine there will be a real problem with this in Germany - at least with Mercedes Benz, cars of the 80s and 90s will dramatically outlast those from the 2000s onwards!
- TedDoesntTalk 3y ago
  Is that your solution 20 years from now, too?
  - artursapek 3y ago
    20 years from now there will be companies making dumbcars just like there are starting to with phones right now
    - mdp2021 3y ago
      The problem is complying with legislation. This is worse than phones.
      - jmclnx 3y ago
        Plus from what I understand, the law Enforcement Community wants all Autos to have a Kill Switch. Where if they want to stop you, they can via wifi. I think some already comes with that.

How do you buy a car that meets those criteria?

thfuran 3y ago

You don't.

sam_lowry_ 3y ago
In some places, this is not an option. I have a mechanical Euro-5 car without sim card nor infotainment system that I would not be able to use where I live by end 2024. Welcome to the EU and its low-emissions zones that span over many of its big cities.
- hef19898 3y ago
  What? Besides Euro-5 emissions restricting access to cities in places, thoae cars are, will be, perfectly road legal in Europe...
- TedDoesntTalk 3y ago
  What happens at the end of 2024 that your car won’t operate?
  - thfuran 3y ago
    Emissions standards change, from the sound of it.
- ghusto 3y ago
  Retrofit, that's what I'm planning to do. Haven't looked into it a great deal yet because there's still plenty of time where I live, but I believe it's possible to get old cars to an emission standard that's compliant. It's not cheap, since it involves replacing the entire engine, but I'd still rather spend money on that than a new car.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- Angostura 3y ago
  I have a 2016 Euro 6 car that has no tracking.
- andreapaiola 3y ago
  Fake news?

deleted 3y ago

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bell-cot 3y ago

I've heard of a few very-low-tech models, which are manufactured for NGO's to use in extremely remote places. Dunno if any of 'em would be street legal in a "normal" country. Those might qualify, and their sales process might be so customized that he could get such a contract. Maybe. Otherwise, I'd guess it'll be "whatever it costs" vehicles aimed at the uber-rich, and their personal security details.

hef19898 3y ago
It is basically impossible to get those road legal in Europe. I know, because those cars tend to be older MY Land Cruisers and such, with those big, old diesel engines. And there is a sub-culture that loves those. Still, the only way to get one of those is if the car is old enough to qualify as a classic. Similar to Land Rover Defenders and the US.

artursapek 3y ago

you buy a good used car from the first decade of the 2000s or earlier

hef19898 3y ago
Mid 90s, and you can qualify for a historical car registration in Germany (min. age 30 years). Problem is, with all those diesel limitqtions regarding city acces, and classical cars being excempt, there is a discussion going to either get rid of those classic car excemptions or to increase the minimum age to 40 years.
- jen20 3y ago
  I'd imagine there will be a real problem with this in Germany - at least with Mercedes Benz, cars of the 80s and 90s will dramatically outlast those from the 2000s onwards!
TedDoesntTalk 3y ago
Is that your solution 20 years from now, too?
- artursapek 3y ago
  20 years from now there will be companies making dumbcars just like there are starting to with phones right now
  - mdp2021 3y ago
    The problem is complying with legislation. This is worse than phones.
    - jmclnx 3y ago
      Plus from what I understand, the law Enforcement Community wants all Autos to have a Kill Switch. Where if they want to stop you, they can via wifi. I think some already comes with that.