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There was probably an array with a few dozen terabytes to spare and the guy made you run back to him once a month for some misguided job security purpose.

ReactiveJelly 3y ago
Steelman possibility: There's 20 people in 10 departments giving him conflicting non-written requests for disk space, his own request for new disks is held up somewhere, and his boss keeps telling him "Just do what you're assigned" which doesn't include preventing a full disk condition.
sjdfbnionio 3y ago
Note that a few dozen terabytes is also nothing. 12 TiB is about $800 on an SSD and about $250 on a HDD. Plus some overhead for the enclosure and redundancy, of course. It costs on the order of a day's pay for an engineer, at most. I don't excuse wanton waste of storage because it's easy for sloppy practices to balloon to massive confusion and inefficiency. But that discipline should be enforced by good engineering practices, not by limiting resources.
- wil421 3y ago
  Are you talking consumer prices, enterprise redundant SSDs in a Data Center, or enterprise cloud storage? In my experience the latter two could add another digit to your price.
  - b112 3y ago
    And all of that needs to be backed up, secured, stored, tested for validity regularly, and so on. More disk space isn't one drive, but redundancy too And backups. And even network bandwidth. This thread sort of highlights the problems. DEVs don't get it. Nor does management.
- greedo 3y ago
  This is such a uninformative comment. Business/Enterprise storage is far, far more expensive than a drive you pick up at Best Buy or Fry's.
  - willcipriano 3y ago
    I'd bet the salary of the guy who is making this a pain could buy enough storage that they don't have to worry about it anymore.
    - greedo 3y ago
      Depends on the org. Some orgs are well managed, others don't want to pay for stuff behind the scenes until it bites them in the ass. They don't know what they don't know.
  - doublepg23 3y ago
    I’ve been getting organic and cage-free hard drives nowadays.
    - justsomehnguy 3y ago
      > and cage-free hard drives nowadays. SOmewhat recently I toyed with an idea of HDDs with an 'interposer' which would be just a dumb ATA2iSCSI interface, with Ethernet or WiFi connectivity. That would allow you to place those drives literally anywhere and with a minimal footprint. Sadly it would be too costly for the home usage (I assume about $30/unit at best) and for the enterprise usage... 1Gbit is too slow, 10Gbit is too hot and bulky and then you can't sell a $3 plastic case for $100 'vendor approved with light-path(r)(tm) diagnostic indication' for each drive.
  - marcosdumay 3y ago
    Well, that's a choice your ops people make. There is absolutely no technical reason to provide all of your storage needs with a single quality of disks. You may do that to get some economies of scale, but if the impact is that high, you should rethink it. You can just as well have two different solutions, one with a huge amount of disk space, little redundancy and low performance, and one with a limited amount of space, plenty of redundancy and high performance. And yes, I know that goes against every common ops procedure, because disks are so cheap. But the next thing you hear is always that disks are not cheap at all, and you really can't have it both ways.
- phpisthebest 3y ago
  Entry level Enterprise grade HDD storage will run you about $1,000 per TB. All Flash arrays will get even more $$$$ Price out a Nimble or PureStorage array can see if they will sell you 12TB for $800... I will wait.
Consultant32452 3y ago
The audit department at my current gig says all records must be retained for eternity because of regulatory reasons but cannot direct anyone to the relevant regulation.
- pnutjam 3y ago
  on-prem block storage like a Scality Ring is where it's at.
phpisthebest 3y ago
Or there was an array that was thin provisioned at 200% over and every 100GB request playing chicken with a storage over run condition....
conductr 3y ago
“No problem, just put in a ticket”

ReactiveJelly 3y ago

Steelman possibility: There's 20 people in 10 departments giving him conflicting non-written requests for disk space, his own request for new disks is held up somewhere, and his boss keeps telling him "Just do what you're assigned" which doesn't include preventing a full disk condition.

sjdfbnionio 3y ago

Note that a few dozen terabytes is also nothing. 12 TiB is about $800 on an SSD and about $250 on a HDD. Plus some overhead for the enclosure and redundancy, of course. It costs on the order of a day's pay for an engineer, at most. I don't excuse wanton waste of storage because it's easy for sloppy practices to balloon to massive confusion and inefficiency. But that discipline should be enforced by good engineering practices, not by limiting resources.

wil421 3y ago
Are you talking consumer prices, enterprise redundant SSDs in a Data Center, or enterprise cloud storage? In my experience the latter two could add another digit to your price.
- b112 3y ago
  And all of that needs to be backed up, secured, stored, tested for validity regularly, and so on. More disk space isn't one drive, but redundancy too And backups. And even network bandwidth. This thread sort of highlights the problems. DEVs don't get it. Nor does management.
greedo 3y ago
This is such a uninformative comment. Business/Enterprise storage is far, far more expensive than a drive you pick up at Best Buy or Fry's.
- willcipriano 3y ago
  I'd bet the salary of the guy who is making this a pain could buy enough storage that they don't have to worry about it anymore.
  - greedo 3y ago
    Depends on the org. Some orgs are well managed, others don't want to pay for stuff behind the scenes until it bites them in the ass. They don't know what they don't know.
- doublepg23 3y ago
  I’ve been getting organic and cage-free hard drives nowadays.
  - justsomehnguy 3y ago
    > and cage-free hard drives nowadays. SOmewhat recently I toyed with an idea of HDDs with an 'interposer' which would be just a dumb ATA2iSCSI interface, with Ethernet or WiFi connectivity. That would allow you to place those drives literally anywhere and with a minimal footprint. Sadly it would be too costly for the home usage (I assume about $30/unit at best) and for the enterprise usage... 1Gbit is too slow, 10Gbit is too hot and bulky and then you can't sell a $3 plastic case for $100 'vendor approved with light-path(r)(tm) diagnostic indication' for each drive.
- marcosdumay 3y ago
  Well, that's a choice your ops people make. There is absolutely no technical reason to provide all of your storage needs with a single quality of disks. You may do that to get some economies of scale, but if the impact is that high, you should rethink it. You can just as well have two different solutions, one with a huge amount of disk space, little redundancy and low performance, and one with a limited amount of space, plenty of redundancy and high performance. And yes, I know that goes against every common ops procedure, because disks are so cheap. But the next thing you hear is always that disks are not cheap at all, and you really can't have it both ways.
phpisthebest 3y ago
Entry level Enterprise grade HDD storage will run you about $1,000 per TB. All Flash arrays will get even more $$$$ Price out a Nimble or PureStorage array can see if they will sell you 12TB for $800... I will wait.

Consultant32452 3y ago

The audit department at my current gig says all records must be retained for eternity because of regulatory reasons but cannot direct anyone to the relevant regulation.

pnutjam 3y ago
on-prem block storage like a Scality Ring is where it's at.

phpisthebest 3y ago

Or there was an array that was thin provisioned at 200% over and every 100GB request playing chicken with a storage over run condition....

conductr 3y ago

“No problem, just put in a ticket”