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haha...fair point! One thing that I've been curious to see, and not sure if anyone has done it yet, is a quantification of contribution to Terraform, comparing

haha...fair point! One thing that I've been curious to see, and not sure if anyone has done it yet, is a quantification of contribution to Terraform, comparing amount of work done from external contributors to the work done by Hashicorp-internal contributors. I know it's hard to make the comparison of what is "harder" work or "more" work in a software project from looking at commits alone, but would be interesting to see nonetheless.

tux1968 3y ago
It's not just the work donated via the open source channel, it's also the associated credibility, enthusiastic coverage and referrals, and general good will, that accrues to such a project. None of which they would have enjoyed had they been a private project.
- galenmarchetti 3y ago
  definitely...and they get to keep that credibility and coverage. at least, as long as this move didn't totally alienate the folks that got on terraform back then
  - zaphar 3y ago
    That credibility largely only applies to a certain group of people. The license change tanked that credibility with that group of people. Hashicorp did a classic misstep for open source based companies and as a may have lost the mindshare and marketshare for one of their most significant offerings. I'm actually not sure they'll survive this.
    - chii 3y ago
      > The license change tanked that credibility with that group of people tho a separate group of people who actually decide the finances of companies will not be in this same group. As old saying goes, "Nobody Gets Fired For Buying IBM".
      - zaphar 3y ago
        When a senior engineer comes to that person and says. You can stop paying hashicorp money. We found a free alternative and are no longer using their product. That person will happily and joyfully jettison the contract. I've been that senior engineer before and the CTO and CFO have never pushed back on the idea that they don't have to spend any more money. Especially now when cutting costs is a concern everyone is being forced to care about.
- thayne 3y ago
  Also third party providers and modules.

tux1968 3y ago

It's not just the work donated via the open source channel, it's also the associated credibility, enthusiastic coverage and referrals, and general good will, that accrues to such a project. None of which they would have enjoyed had they been a private project.

galenmarchetti 3y ago
definitely...and they get to keep that credibility and coverage. at least, as long as this move didn't totally alienate the folks that got on terraform back then
- zaphar 3y ago
  That credibility largely only applies to a certain group of people. The license change tanked that credibility with that group of people. Hashicorp did a classic misstep for open source based companies and as a may have lost the mindshare and marketshare for one of their most significant offerings. I'm actually not sure they'll survive this.
  - chii 3y ago
    > The license change tanked that credibility with that group of people tho a separate group of people who actually decide the finances of companies will not be in this same group. As old saying goes, "Nobody Gets Fired For Buying IBM".
    - zaphar 3y ago
      When a senior engineer comes to that person and says. You can stop paying hashicorp money. We found a free alternative and are no longer using their product. That person will happily and joyfully jettison the contract. I've been that senior engineer before and the CTO and CFO have never pushed back on the idea that they don't have to spend any more money. Especially now when cutting costs is a concern everyone is being forced to care about.
thayne 3y ago
Also third party providers and modules.