4 ms·

> still down 60%, primarily due to pressure on advertisers by @ADL Sounds like something he ought to be able to substantiate pretty simply, so why not do so?

> still down 60%, primarily due to pressure on advertisers by @ADL Sounds like something he ought to be able to substantiate pretty simply, so why not do so? I normally hesitate any comparisons between Musk and Trump but the lack of self reflection and baseless threats of legal action are a real commonality. He surely knows he’d have no leg to stand on but still wants to drum up some drama.

rsynnott 3y ago
> Sounds like something he ought to be able to substantiate pretty simply, so why not do so? _Because it is nonsense_, come on, we all know this.
throw310822 3y ago
> Sounds like something he ought to be able to substantiate pretty simply, so why not do so? Isn't that exactly what he's going to do if he sues the ADL? Or where did you expect him to substantiate it first? Seems a bit strange to accuse him of not doing what he just started doing.
nvm0n2 3y ago
How would it be simple to substantiate that? He'll be hearing this from advertisers probably via back channels or in verbal conversation only. To understand what the ADL is doing would require discovery, which requires a lawsuit.
- afavour 3y ago
  > He'll be hearing this from advertisers probably via back channels or in verbal conversation only Why do you presume that? Even if that’s the case, why wouldn’t he say that?
  - nvm0n2 3y ago
    I thought he did say he was hearing it from advertisers?
    - afavour 3y ago
      But why the assumption of back channel and verbal only confirmation?
      - nvm0n2 3y ago
        Because CMOs typically don't formally write to business partners, "I'd like to confirm in writing that we'd spend lots of money with you but the ADL is bullying us"? I mean, sure, it's possible that these conversations were in written form even if unlikely, but then what's Musk supposed to do, put private emails from potential customers out in the open? And why would the ADL itself put this stuff in writing? If he gets discovery against the ADL then he can see how widespread it is using things like internal documents too, and build the case directly with that, instead of having to go via whatever scraps other businesses will give him.

rsynnott 3y ago

> Sounds like something he ought to be able to substantiate pretty simply, so why not do so? _Because it is nonsense_, come on, we all know this.

throw310822 3y ago

> Sounds like something he ought to be able to substantiate pretty simply, so why not do so? Isn't that exactly what he's going to do if he sues the ADL? Or where did you expect him to substantiate it first? Seems a bit strange to accuse him of not doing what he just started doing.

nvm0n2 3y ago

How would it be simple to substantiate that? He'll be hearing this from advertisers probably via back channels or in verbal conversation only. To understand what the ADL is doing would require discovery, which requires a lawsuit.

afavour 3y ago
> He'll be hearing this from advertisers probably via back channels or in verbal conversation only Why do you presume that? Even if that’s the case, why wouldn’t he say that?
- nvm0n2 3y ago
  I thought he did say he was hearing it from advertisers?
  - afavour 3y ago
    But why the assumption of back channel and verbal only confirmation?
    - nvm0n2 3y ago
      Because CMOs typically don't formally write to business partners, "I'd like to confirm in writing that we'd spend lots of money with you but the ADL is bullying us"? I mean, sure, it's possible that these conversations were in written form even if unlikely, but then what's Musk supposed to do, put private emails from potential customers out in the open? And why would the ADL itself put this stuff in writing? If he gets discovery against the ADL then he can see how widespread it is using things like internal documents too, and build the case directly with that, instead of having to go via whatever scraps other businesses will give him.