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Wtf is going on at Github? They're having outages almost every other day. August had 11 incidents it seems. September already has 3. https://www.githubstatus.

Wtf is going on at Github? They're having outages almost every other day. August had 11 incidents it seems. September already has 3. https://www.githubstatus.com/history https://www.githubstatus.com/history

TylerE 3y ago
They run on Azure, don’t they?
- rickette 3y ago
  Only partially I believe, there quite famous for running their own hardware (metal cloud). I think some new features like Actions, Codespaces and of course Copilot run on Azure.
sgt 3y ago
They are doing rapid deployment.
nine_zeros 3y ago
Lots of attrition of good engineers. Management is not held accountable for failures, only engineers are scapegoated. As a result, remaining engineers are disgruntled and don't care. Source: https://www.teamblind.com/company/GitHub/reviews https://www.teamblind.com/company/GitHub/reviews
- no_wizard 3y ago
  Blind is an echo chamber, and attracts a certain type of person, for sure. Vast majority of engineers I know aren't even on it and often haven't heard of it. I think Blind is a data point, but its one of many, and certainly not definitive in my opinion
  - jonny_eh 3y ago
    It's like a bitter GlassDoor.
  - nine_zeros 3y ago
    > Blind is an echo chamber, and attracts a certain type of person, for sure. It certainly is a misery-loves-company community. But I have found them to be the most honest representation of a company and its tech and management practices. It is also a reliable source of compensation data. For example, I look at Meta's reviews there and that matches my experience. Nobody cares about their apps. All people care about is performance reviews with fake impact. That was exactly my experience in the company.
    - no_wizard 3y ago
      To add some nuance to what I'm saying: I've found its accurate for Meta / Microsoft / Google / Apple / Netflix / Amazon. Having worked at Apple for half a decade, it seemed (mostly) accurate. I have found it less accurate for other companies that are big and desirable but not nearly as sought after to work for in the last decade. For startups or smaller companies, its not the best data point Don't know where I'd put GitHub, maybe the signal to noise ratio is closer to one of the big companies than not, however my current employer has a Blind channel and its not very accurate to my experience
      - tough 3y ago
        You realise Github is Microsoft nowadays right?
        no_wizard 3y ago
        I do, however for the purpose of this discussion, I'm treating them separately, as GitHub is a distinct employer from Microsoft on Blind.
        tough 3y ago
        Oh I see, I never checked out Blind, in LinkedIn Jobs tho the Github Offers seem very much Microsoft Offers to me.
  - websap 3y ago
    Lol! If you're an engineer and you don't spend even a little time on Blind, you're signing up to get hustled. Learned so many interesting tidbits from Blind that I was able to use to get ahead in my career. Is it negative, yes; can you still benefit from it, yes.
    - tester756 3y ago
      Let's dont act as if the Blind was the only place where you can have discussion about stuff like this
      - websap 3y ago
        Yet to see a more honest, transparent and non-posturing discussion board about tech.
- tester756 3y ago
  This site feels like a terrible joke Do really "serious" people use this?
- numpad0 3y ago
  Businesses that can turn profit from monkeys as employees are best businesses. Running such businesses on tightly standardized PhDs is best for its own survival. So that's what everyone does to various degrees, and it's also such a horrible thinking.
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anon____ 3y ago
They are just honest about reporting these events. Others don't, so they look better. It's easy to lie without getting caught, because most people don't experience most outages personally.
- quadrature 3y ago
  No, they didn't have such a high incidence of events prior to the tech layoffs. something material has changed.
- imiric 3y ago
  Eh, that's giving MS too much credit. They're as honest as most corporations are with status pages. I've experienced outages and error pages many times while the status page showed green across the board. There's definitely been a noticeable decrease in reliability since MS took over. They've introduced many features, which is appreciated, but products like Actions are notoriously unreliable and flaky.
- rvz 3y ago
  If this was Twitter / X having these outages every single week, the entirety of HN would come out and scream 'Twitter / X falling apart!', 'It is crumbling', 'Its grinding to a halt again!' In comparison to GitHub which for a service to have tons of outages a week is quite atrocious for reliability. But somehow it is acceptable to tolerate GitHub's ridiculous uptime record, but of course, on HN and in wider tech circles, a different standard of uptime is applied here to GitHub despite it being known that it has fallen over much more times than Twitter / X has done for years, week after week. Until the next time GitHub goes down again. Probably won't be long anyway.
  - TeMPOraL 3y ago
    > If this was Twitter / X having these outages every single week, the entirety of HN would come out and scream 'Twitter / X falling apart!', 'It is crumbling', 'Its grinding to a halt again!' Fail Whale is a thing tho, remarkable for frequent sightings in the seas of Twitter.
baz00 3y ago
I think at this point my hypothesis is definitely erring towards them being hopeless goons.

TylerE 3y ago

They run on Azure, don’t they?

rickette 3y ago
Only partially I believe, there quite famous for running their own hardware (metal cloud). I think some new features like Actions, Codespaces and of course Copilot run on Azure.

sgt 3y ago

They are doing rapid deployment.

nine_zeros 3y ago

Lots of attrition of good engineers. Management is not held accountable for failures, only engineers are scapegoated. As a result, remaining engineers are disgruntled and don't care. Source: https://www.teamblind.com/company/GitHub/reviews https://www.teamblind.com/company/GitHub/reviews

no_wizard 3y ago
Blind is an echo chamber, and attracts a certain type of person, for sure. Vast majority of engineers I know aren't even on it and often haven't heard of it. I think Blind is a data point, but its one of many, and certainly not definitive in my opinion
- jonny_eh 3y ago
  It's like a bitter GlassDoor.
- nine_zeros 3y ago
  > Blind is an echo chamber, and attracts a certain type of person, for sure. It certainly is a misery-loves-company community. But I have found them to be the most honest representation of a company and its tech and management practices. It is also a reliable source of compensation data. For example, I look at Meta's reviews there and that matches my experience. Nobody cares about their apps. All people care about is performance reviews with fake impact. That was exactly my experience in the company.
  - no_wizard 3y ago
    To add some nuance to what I'm saying: I've found its accurate for Meta / Microsoft / Google / Apple / Netflix / Amazon. Having worked at Apple for half a decade, it seemed (mostly) accurate. I have found it less accurate for other companies that are big and desirable but not nearly as sought after to work for in the last decade. For startups or smaller companies, its not the best data point Don't know where I'd put GitHub, maybe the signal to noise ratio is closer to one of the big companies than not, however my current employer has a Blind channel and its not very accurate to my experience
    - tough 3y ago
      You realise Github is Microsoft nowadays right?
      - no_wizard 3y ago
        I do, however for the purpose of this discussion, I'm treating them separately, as GitHub is a distinct employer from Microsoft on Blind.
        tough 3y ago
        Oh I see, I never checked out Blind, in LinkedIn Jobs tho the Github Offers seem very much Microsoft Offers to me.
- websap 3y ago
  Lol! If you're an engineer and you don't spend even a little time on Blind, you're signing up to get hustled. Learned so many interesting tidbits from Blind that I was able to use to get ahead in my career. Is it negative, yes; can you still benefit from it, yes.
  - tester756 3y ago
    Let's dont act as if the Blind was the only place where you can have discussion about stuff like this
    - websap 3y ago
      Yet to see a more honest, transparent and non-posturing discussion board about tech.
tester756 3y ago
This site feels like a terrible joke Do really "serious" people use this?
numpad0 3y ago
Businesses that can turn profit from monkeys as employees are best businesses. Running such businesses on tightly standardized PhDs is best for its own survival. So that's what everyone does to various degrees, and it's also such a horrible thinking.

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anon____ 3y ago

They are just honest about reporting these events. Others don't, so they look better. It's easy to lie without getting caught, because most people don't experience most outages personally.

quadrature 3y ago
No, they didn't have such a high incidence of events prior to the tech layoffs. something material has changed.
imiric 3y ago
Eh, that's giving MS too much credit. They're as honest as most corporations are with status pages. I've experienced outages and error pages many times while the status page showed green across the board. There's definitely been a noticeable decrease in reliability since MS took over. They've introduced many features, which is appreciated, but products like Actions are notoriously unreliable and flaky.
rvz 3y ago
If this was Twitter / X having these outages every single week, the entirety of HN would come out and scream 'Twitter / X falling apart!', 'It is crumbling', 'Its grinding to a halt again!' In comparison to GitHub which for a service to have tons of outages a week is quite atrocious for reliability. But somehow it is acceptable to tolerate GitHub's ridiculous uptime record, but of course, on HN and in wider tech circles, a different standard of uptime is applied here to GitHub despite it being known that it has fallen over much more times than Twitter / X has done for years, week after week. Until the next time GitHub goes down again. Probably won't be long anyway.
- TeMPOraL 3y ago
  > If this was Twitter / X having these outages every single week, the entirety of HN would come out and scream 'Twitter / X falling apart!', 'It is crumbling', 'Its grinding to a halt again!' Fail Whale is a thing tho, remarkable for frequent sightings in the seas of Twitter.

baz00 3y ago

I think at this point my hypothesis is definitely erring towards them being hopeless goons.