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> US perspective (eg theft of bikes / crime is not AS serious a problem as Brazil, although it can be bad): In the US we take the utilitarian perspective that

> US perspective (eg theft of bikes / crime is not AS serious a problem as Brazil, although it can be bad): In the US we take the utilitarian perspective that the thief who took my bike has gained more happiness than I have lost without it, so maybe bike theft is a good thing[0]. In Brazil a bike is probably a fair bit more dear and may more likely be the user's only form of rapid personal transportation. [0] https://i.imgur.com/ipgafyG.png https://i.imgur.com/ipgafyG.png

shrx 3y ago
Does anyone really think this? The hassle of buying a new bike alone isn't worth it.
- shrimp_emoji 3y ago
  It's what rich sheltered people think, which describes most of the online population. And I'm not saying that as a bad thing, necessarily; if anything, it's probably worse to think in the neurotic PTSD terms of defending your bike to the death because you saved a long time for it and can't afford to replace it. Moreso when you can trivially afford to replace it and the person stealing it is probably in a much worse global situation than you.
  - salad-tycoon 3y ago
    I’ve seen family’s of 7 on a moped, surronded by multiple live chickens dangling and a 20gal propane tank on the back. Incredible skill. Sometimes they do blow up sadly if a suv runs into them. For a lot of people, that moped is their life. Deadly force is appropriate. Horse thieves were hung right?
edwcross 3y ago
Or more likely, the thief just resold the stolen bike for $10, thus negatively impacting the economy (preventing legal resellers from operating fairly; forcing people to spend more money and effort on protection; minimizing the efficiency of the person having the bike stolen; raising insurance premiums) and the ecology (steering people towards cars, which are harder to steal, at least without insurance; forcing people to re-buy bikes and stolen goods). Proper wealth redistribution is not stealing, at least not this kind of "petty stealing".
sublinear 3y ago
> In the US we take the utilitarian perspective that the thief who took my bike has gained more happiness than I have lost without it, so maybe bike theft is a good thing Haha not a snowflake's chance in hell. In much of the USA you can use deadly force to defend against property crime on private property. Conditions do apply, but that's beside the point (and are rarely enforced in self defense cases unless you went full retard on the crim).
- salad-tycoon 3y ago
  Per TikTok/YouTube Brazil allows deadly force against thieves on bikes. Some videos out there of suv/truck drives swerving and plowing over gunmen jumping people on streets. Obviously it’s gruesome so you can look it up yourself if interested. Per the videos this was a recent(ish) law passed. Caveat, obviously I was educated on tiktok but the videos certainly don’t look fake.

shrx 3y ago

Does anyone really think this? The hassle of buying a new bike alone isn't worth it.

shrimp_emoji 3y ago
It's what rich sheltered people think, which describes most of the online population. And I'm not saying that as a bad thing, necessarily; if anything, it's probably worse to think in the neurotic PTSD terms of defending your bike to the death because you saved a long time for it and can't afford to replace it. Moreso when you can trivially afford to replace it and the person stealing it is probably in a much worse global situation than you.
- salad-tycoon 3y ago
  I’ve seen family’s of 7 on a moped, surronded by multiple live chickens dangling and a 20gal propane tank on the back. Incredible skill. Sometimes they do blow up sadly if a suv runs into them. For a lot of people, that moped is their life. Deadly force is appropriate. Horse thieves were hung right?

edwcross 3y ago

Or more likely, the thief just resold the stolen bike for $10, thus negatively impacting the economy (preventing legal resellers from operating fairly; forcing people to spend more money and effort on protection; minimizing the efficiency of the person having the bike stolen; raising insurance premiums) and the ecology (steering people towards cars, which are harder to steal, at least without insurance; forcing people to re-buy bikes and stolen goods). Proper wealth redistribution is not stealing, at least not this kind of "petty stealing".

sublinear 3y ago

> In the US we take the utilitarian perspective that the thief who took my bike has gained more happiness than I have lost without it, so maybe bike theft is a good thing Haha not a snowflake's chance in hell. In much of the USA you can use deadly force to defend against property crime on private property. Conditions do apply, but that's beside the point (and are rarely enforced in self defense cases unless you went full retard on the crim).

salad-tycoon 3y ago
Per TikTok/YouTube Brazil allows deadly force against thieves on bikes. Some videos out there of suv/truck drives swerving and plowing over gunmen jumping people on streets. Obviously it’s gruesome so you can look it up yourself if interested. Per the videos this was a recent(ish) law passed. Caveat, obviously I was educated on tiktok but the videos certainly don’t look fake.