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It's interesting because I saw an article just yesterday where someone was taking corporations to task for misleading or fudged information on packaging. Yet i

It's interesting because I saw an article just yesterday where someone was taking corporations to task for misleading or fudged information on packaging. Yet it seems many people are opposed to this. Curious

mcpackieh 3y ago
Vegans motivated by ethical arguments think that tricking consumers is a lesser evil than eating meat, therefore the ends justify the means. This explains their apparent hypocrisy.
- harimau777 3y ago
  Except that people aren't tricking consumers. Vegan meats are clearly labeled; usually in their own section of the grocery store. The only instance where manufacturers try to trick consumers are hamburgers that are part meat and part soy; and those aren't vegan or vegetarian to being with.
  - mcpackieh 3y ago
    > Vegan meats are clearly labeled; usually in their own section of the grocery store. Not so at many stores and with many brands. Trader joes has tricked me two or three times, now I know to read all product packages carefully. [This is the point where you insult me for shopping while groggy and not paying close enough attention!] If these food producers aren't being deceptive, then the law won't effect them or their bottom line. But of course they are, so it will.
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  Lol non of the fake meat companies are in it for "ethics", what are you on about? I'm not convinced this is entirely meritless either. The packages of meat-replacements are usually right next to the ground beef in my store, and it's not trivial to pick them out from the just "Artisanal" ground beef products, unless you pick up and carefully read each and every package. Maybe they need a protected word they can use to clearly self label as a meatless product.
  - mcpackieh 3y ago
    gustavus made a remark about internet commenters, not vegan food companies, and I responded to that with a remark about internet commenters, not vegan food companies. Obviously the companies are in it for profit, who said otherwise? I'll reiterate my point since you missed it by a mile the first time: Ethical vegan internet commenters defend deceptive branding in this context but not others because they think tricking meat eaters into eating vegan food is an end that justifies the means.
mrkeen 3y ago
It's because it's not coming from a well-meaning place. If clearing up confusion around naming was really the goal they'd put forward legislation stopping people from calling a chicken sandwich a "chicken burger".
- wink 3y ago
  Now that distinction is definitely lost on this non-native speaker. Mostly because we have burger as a loan word and a sandwich is simply not defined in German, and only used sparingly. (Except a classic Club Sandwich, I guess.)
  - JoeAltmaier 3y ago
    Funny how these brand words are used differently. On a bike tour I heard the Swiss contingent calling every sandwich cookie an 'Oreo'.
- JoeAltmaier 3y ago
  Or calling every frozen dessert with a little milk in it, "ice cream"
harimau777 3y ago
I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. No one is opposed to restricting companies from making vegetarian food from tricking consumers; mainly because that's not actually happening. People are opposed to restricting the established names for vegetarian foods. It comes across as a ploy from the meat industry to try to restrict competitors.

mcpackieh 3y ago

Vegans motivated by ethical arguments think that tricking consumers is a lesser evil than eating meat, therefore the ends justify the means. This explains their apparent hypocrisy.

harimau777 3y ago
Except that people aren't tricking consumers. Vegan meats are clearly labeled; usually in their own section of the grocery store. The only instance where manufacturers try to trick consumers are hamburgers that are part meat and part soy; and those aren't vegan or vegetarian to being with.
- mcpackieh 3y ago
  > Vegan meats are clearly labeled; usually in their own section of the grocery store. Not so at many stores and with many brands. Trader joes has tricked me two or three times, now I know to read all product packages carefully. [This is the point where you insult me for shopping while groggy and not paying close enough attention!] If these food producers aren't being deceptive, then the law won't effect them or their bottom line. But of course they are, so it will.
mrguyorama 3y ago
Lol non of the fake meat companies are in it for "ethics", what are you on about? I'm not convinced this is entirely meritless either. The packages of meat-replacements are usually right next to the ground beef in my store, and it's not trivial to pick them out from the just "Artisanal" ground beef products, unless you pick up and carefully read each and every package. Maybe they need a protected word they can use to clearly self label as a meatless product.
- mcpackieh 3y ago
  gustavus made a remark about internet commenters, not vegan food companies, and I responded to that with a remark about internet commenters, not vegan food companies. Obviously the companies are in it for profit, who said otherwise? I'll reiterate my point since you missed it by a mile the first time: Ethical vegan internet commenters defend deceptive branding in this context but not others because they think tricking meat eaters into eating vegan food is an end that justifies the means.

mrkeen 3y ago

It's because it's not coming from a well-meaning place. If clearing up confusion around naming was really the goal they'd put forward legislation stopping people from calling a chicken sandwich a "chicken burger".

wink 3y ago
Now that distinction is definitely lost on this non-native speaker. Mostly because we have burger as a loan word and a sandwich is simply not defined in German, and only used sparingly. (Except a classic Club Sandwich, I guess.)
- JoeAltmaier 3y ago
  Funny how these brand words are used differently. On a bike tour I heard the Swiss contingent calling every sandwich cookie an 'Oreo'.
JoeAltmaier 3y ago
Or calling every frozen dessert with a little milk in it, "ice cream"

harimau777 3y ago

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. No one is opposed to restricting companies from making vegetarian food from tricking consumers; mainly because that's not actually happening. People are opposed to restricting the established names for vegetarian foods. It comes across as a ploy from the meat industry to try to restrict competitors.