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This might be a controversial take but by that reasoning, I don't think America is a particularly free country. Most people need to work whatever shitty job the

by xmprt 3y ago

This might be a controversial take but by that reasoning, I don't think America is a particularly free country. Most people need to work whatever shitty job they can get and class mobility is relatively difficult even with things like higher education and the like

nostrebored 3y ago
“Most people need to work whatever shitty job they can get” Even as someone who grew up well below the poverty line, this wasn’t true ime. The vast majority of adults aren’t impoverished. They’re quite clearly choosing not to work the shitty jobs that would make them impoverished, usually through skills they’ve chosen to acquire. While I don’t have the stats on what percentage of people exercise job choice — these stats are completely unobtainable - I don’t think there’s an argument that can reasonably suggest it’s >50 (or even 20)
- nicbou 3y ago
  I think that most people have the possibility to choose, but the cost of choosing (in terms of lost income, lost vacations, uncertainty and risk to immigration status) are prohibitive enough to favour the employers. Sure, people can upskill or move across the country, but that's prohibitively expensive and not guaranteed to work. A lot of people are trapped by this.
- xmprt 3y ago
  You're right. Employees do tend to have a lot of options. But I think the balance is still in employers' favor for most workers when it comes to making decisions for the employee.
flakeoil 3y ago
Running your own business is not necessarily more freedom than being employed. It's easy to think you can decided everything yourself, but you have customers pulling you here and there, you have rules and regulations, accounting, taxes, bills. Maybe sales is not going as well as you want or you have too much work on your table which is hard to off-load.

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This might be a controversial take but by that reasoning, I don't think America is a particularly free country. Most people need to work whatever shitty job the

by xmprt 3y ago

nostrebored 3y ago
“Most people need to work whatever shitty job they can get” Even as someone who grew up well below the poverty line, this wasn’t true ime. The vast majority of adults aren’t impoverished. They’re quite clearly choosing not to work the shitty jobs that would make them impoverished, usually through skills they’ve chosen to acquire. While I don’t have the stats on what percentage of people exercise job choice — these stats are completely unobtainable - I don’t think there’s an argument that can reasonably suggest it’s >50 (or even 20)
- nicbou 3y ago
  I think that most people have the possibility to choose, but the cost of choosing (in terms of lost income, lost vacations, uncertainty and risk to immigration status) are prohibitive enough to favour the employers. Sure, people can upskill or move across the country, but that's prohibitively expensive and not guaranteed to work. A lot of people are trapped by this.
- xmprt 3y ago
  You're right. Employees do tend to have a lot of options. But I think the balance is still in employers' favor for most workers when it comes to making decisions for the employee.
flakeoil 3y ago
Running your own business is not necessarily more freedom than being employed. It's easy to think you can decided everything yourself, but you have customers pulling you here and there, you have rules and regulations, accounting, taxes, bills. Maybe sales is not going as well as you want or you have too much work on your table which is hard to off-load.