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A good number of your bullet points are factually incorrect and inflammatory. But to reply in the style of Blow: what have _you_ released in the past ten years

A good number of your bullet points are factually incorrect and inflammatory. But to reply in the style of Blow: what have _you_ released in the past ten years to talk all this smack?

password54321 3y ago
Hmm seems like he was right about the ego part then.
Hamcha 3y ago
Please don't adopt this line of reasoning. Anyone's argument doesn't have to stand on their personal achievements and public works. Just because you're not a chef doesn't mean you can't call one out if they put rat poison in your food.
- incrudible 3y ago
  They did not provide an argument, but a barrage of accusations without evidence. I think in that case, it is fair to ask: Who are you, anyway?
  - lgas 3y ago
    I still don't see why it matters who the person is. Why not ask for evidence instead?
    - incrudible 3y ago
      These aren't the kinds of things where evidence is readily available. If you have a reputation to stake on certain claims, that makes me more inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt.
    - mariusor 3y ago
      I didn't ask for evidence because I know for a fact that he is lying or misinterpreting things to an extent to be considered lying. Getting into the beta has nothing to do with being a good or bad programmer. It's not about Blow's ego or criticizing the language, it's about keeping a modicum of respect about a decade's worth of work and not being an ass. If the ad-homimem's didn't disqualify his whole post, the smell of his butt-hurt would. PS. As a factual contradiction, documentation is provided with every compiler version and it currently stands at ~32K lines of very well commented example code touching almost every feature of the language.
      - anonymoushn 3y ago
        Can you only apply via Twitch chat or is there some other venue where you can genuflect before his greatness?
        mariusor 3y ago
        No you can not apply via twitch chat, and again, there's no genuflecting. Stop listening the assholes with axes to grind. You can ask about it in twitch chat and probably get an answer, but I think you must show an interest more than "I heard about this thing on HN, I want to try it NOW".
        anonymoushn 3y ago
        My favorite part of your reply was the part where you said "There's no genuflecting" and then "You must genuflect at least a little." I applied via email and mentioned that my team is one of the biggest users of the fanmade language Zig.
        mariusor 3y ago
        Can you clarify? How is showing interest "genuflecting"? I understand how open-source has lowered the general threshold for having access to other people's work, but the entitlement your post exudes is a bit sickening.
      - ohgodplsno 3y ago
        Right, I forgot to mention dealing with the most cult-of-personality community that has ever existed.
        mariusor 3y ago
        I fail to see where I said anything about Blow's personality. :) I can despise the guy but still be impressed with his work ethic and accomplishments. If only righteous people are allowed to make things the world would be much poorer.
- mariusor 3y ago
  Why is it that you want to tone police me (when I was actually trying to be facetiously funny) instead of parent with his virulent ad-hominem's towards two industry veterans which probably have done more for the field of computer science than most of us commenting in this thread combined (at least until Walter drops in).
ohgodplsno 3y ago
I'd say my work has gone in the hands of a few million people and made their lives (mostly) better, along with what all of my coworkers did. But most importantly, I'm not out there telling people that they suck, they're bad programmers. I'm not the one out there telling people that GC bad, memory ownership bad but also you're stupid if you can't free() memory properly. I'm not the one out there rejecting decades of PL theory, calling academics "believers" and "wrong" [0], I'm not the one throwing shade at every other language, and when criticized on my language, fall back to "uuuuh I make Jai for myself you don't have to use it" Anyways, if you want a real systems language that's available today and that actually works, Odin exists. [0] - https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Blow/status/1363913308865138689 https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Blow/status/1363913308865138689
- predictabl3 3y ago
  Don't they get tired of being wrong, too? I've used software from these types of people and their stuff crashes and segfaults as much or more than their equivalents, certainly than the rust equivalents I use.

A good number of your bullet points are factually incorrect and inflammatory. But to reply in the style of Blow: what have _you_ released in the past ten years to talk all this smack?

password54321 3y ago

Hmm seems like he was right about the ego part then.

Hamcha 3y ago

Please don't adopt this line of reasoning. Anyone's argument doesn't have to stand on their personal achievements and public works. Just because you're not a chef doesn't mean you can't call one out if they put rat poison in your food.

incrudible 3y ago
They did not provide an argument, but a barrage of accusations without evidence. I think in that case, it is fair to ask: Who are you, anyway?
- lgas 3y ago
  I still don't see why it matters who the person is. Why not ask for evidence instead?
  - incrudible 3y ago
    These aren't the kinds of things where evidence is readily available. If you have a reputation to stake on certain claims, that makes me more inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt.
  - mariusor 3y ago
    I didn't ask for evidence because I know for a fact that he is lying or misinterpreting things to an extent to be considered lying. Getting into the beta has nothing to do with being a good or bad programmer. It's not about Blow's ego or criticizing the language, it's about keeping a modicum of respect about a decade's worth of work and not being an ass. If the ad-homimem's didn't disqualify his whole post, the smell of his butt-hurt would. PS. As a factual contradiction, documentation is provided with every compiler version and it currently stands at ~32K lines of very well commented example code touching almost every feature of the language.
    - anonymoushn 3y ago
      Can you only apply via Twitch chat or is there some other venue where you can genuflect before his greatness?
      - mariusor 3y ago
        No you can not apply via twitch chat, and again, there's no genuflecting. Stop listening the assholes with axes to grind. You can ask about it in twitch chat and probably get an answer, but I think you must show an interest more than "I heard about this thing on HN, I want to try it NOW".
        anonymoushn 3y ago
        My favorite part of your reply was the part where you said "There's no genuflecting" and then "You must genuflect at least a little." I applied via email and mentioned that my team is one of the biggest users of the fanmade language Zig.
        mariusor 3y ago
        Can you clarify? How is showing interest "genuflecting"? I understand how open-source has lowered the general threshold for having access to other people's work, but the entitlement your post exudes is a bit sickening.
    - ohgodplsno 3y ago
      Right, I forgot to mention dealing with the most cult-of-personality community that has ever existed.
      - mariusor 3y ago
        I fail to see where I said anything about Blow's personality. :) I can despise the guy but still be impressed with his work ethic and accomplishments. If only righteous people are allowed to make things the world would be much poorer.
mariusor 3y ago
Why is it that you want to tone police me (when I was actually trying to be facetiously funny) instead of parent with his virulent ad-hominem's towards two industry veterans which probably have done more for the field of computer science than most of us commenting in this thread combined (at least until Walter drops in).

ohgodplsno 3y ago

I'd say my work has gone in the hands of a few million people and made their lives (mostly) better, along with what all of my coworkers did. But most importantly, I'm not out there telling people that they suck, they're bad programmers. I'm not the one out there telling people that GC bad, memory ownership bad but also you're stupid if you can't free() memory properly. I'm not the one out there rejecting decades of PL theory, calling academics "believers" and "wrong" [0], I'm not the one throwing shade at every other language, and when criticized on my language, fall back to "uuuuh I make Jai for myself you don't have to use it" Anyways, if you want a real systems language that's available today and that actually works, Odin exists. [0] - https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Blow/status/1363913308865138689 https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Blow/status/1363913308865138689

predictabl3 3y ago
Don't they get tired of being wrong, too? I've used software from these types of people and their stuff crashes and segfaults as much or more than their equivalents, certainly than the rust equivalents I use.