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A little-known shipwreck that inspired ‘Dracula’
- haspoken 3y agohttps://archive.ph/EKSNh https://archive.ph/EKSNh
- jimmiles 3y agohttps://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nationalgeographic.com%2Fhistory%2Farticle%2Flast-voyage-of-the-demeter-dracula-dmitry https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nationalgeographic...
- swayvil 3y ago[flagged]
- _dain_ 3y agopeople gotta eat
- GenericDev 3y ago[flagged]
- swayvil 3y agoThere are plenty of ways to eat that don't require smothering the world's communication like a modern day Sauron.
- School-Cotton 3y ago[flagged]
- swayvil 3y agoI'm sure that you're equipped with at least a minimal imagination. No doubt you can think up a few obvious ones as easily as me.
- mdp2021 3y agoYou drew a heavily incomplete model, specified just a detail ("free flow of information is in a way more effective"), and proposed an only marginally relevant question pivoting on a very loose interpretation of its key discriminator ("«win»"). If you just reason on abstractions you describe a dream, not a world.
- swayvil 3y agoThen add a detail if you think it's important. Be my guest.
- mdp2021 3y agoThat would be a game of group sculpting some condensed material structure out of fog. How can you add «detail[s]» when the original idea is, as I tried to communicate, so undefined? You should better define your premises and question. The idea is either clear to the proposer but not sufficiently expressed, or not clear enough so requiring further work for re-expression.
- oriettaxx 3y agonothing interesting to me
- djmips 3y agoStoker had Dracula transforming into a dog. "Hmm maybe it was related to another shipwreck with a dog name." - Really? Was there also a shipwreck of vampire bats? Every aspect of Dracula was based from various wrecks on Irish shores /s
- popol12 3y agoReading this article was a waste of my time, but I’m glad it made me think again about this great book. Gonna spend a bit of time reading interesting stuff about it on Wikipedia.
- nonethewiser 3y agoDoes anyone have a Dracula (Bram Stoker's) edition that they can recommend? Have always been interested in reading it and this discussion has piqued my interest again. Edit: I was searching for a good version and came across this article with this interesting tidbit: > Bram Stoker did not intend for Dracula to serve as fiction, but as a warning of a very real evil, a childhood nightmare all too real. But his editor prevented it, apparently concerned it would alarm the public. > When the novel was finally released on May 26, 1897, the first 101 pages had been cut, numerous alterations had been made to the text, and the epilogue had been shortened, changing Dracula’s ultimate fate as well as that of his castle. Tens of thousands of words had vanished. Bram’s message, once concise and clear, had blurred between the remaining lines. > In the 1980s, the original Dracula manuscript was discovered in a barn in rural northwestern Pennsylvania. Nobody knows how it made its way across the Atlantic. That manuscript, now owned by Microsoft cofounder Paul Allen, begins on page 102. https://time.com/5411826/bram-stoker-dracula-history/ https://time.com/5411826/bram-stoker-dracula-history/ Now I am very curious what the dracula/castle fate changes were. If the published version is good I would expect the original may have been even better. Especially since the criticisms against it (would alarm the public) are no longer relevant.
- plasma_beam 3y agoWow! It was mandatory reading in high school for me (Virginia). I’ve only read it a couple times, but I remember really liking it. This thread has also motivated me to re-read it. I read one of the Puffin paperbacks when I was a kid.
- gerdesj 3y agoI find it intriguing that BS's Dracula was required reading in VA. I may be wrong but I doubt any UK or Eire skool mandated it.
- Anon4Now 3y agoMaybe I've become too cynical, but with the movie The Last Voyage of the Demeter recently coming out, I can't help but think of Paul Graham's essay "Submarine".
- Sakos 3y ago... I don't understand. What's your complaint here? Is it somehow a bad thing for them to write a topical article that adds context to a current piece of media? I had no idea about these details of Bram Stoker's Dracula and it's interesting finding out more about it. I didn't realize The Last Voyage of the Demeter would be about dracula until seeing it and it's fun to read more about it. So yeah, be less cynical. Some of us want to learn more about the world around us. Sometimes it's really tiring reading the comments here. Nothing but bitter old men yelling at clouds.
- Anon4Now 3y agoBitter? No. Old? Getting there. Yelling at clouds? Not even once, even though live in Oregon. What's my complaint? Not really a complaint but when you realize that National Geographic is owned by Disney and DreamWorks used to be under Disney's umbrella, it's not a big stretch that there may be people at DreamWorks who have connections at Disney and can get a story idea planted. I'm not even sure that's cynicism. I think it's just an understanding of how the world often works.
- Sakos 3y agoBut how does that understanding help you in this case? I just see somebody who's deciding not to give any further thought to Dracula, Bram Stoker or how the story was written, instead aiming for the low fruit of "corporate capitalism bad". Like, there are so many ways you could've guided the conversation into a more productive, interesting direction that's actually relevant to the topic in the article while not necessarily pandering to the underlying/implicit PR priming.
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- emmelaich 3y agoA dog bringing death? Perhaps John W. Campbell Jr. (Who Goes There? / The Thing) was riffing off this.