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Then you pay someone to help, of course. That's the value add they can offer - no 'compromise' to appease them required. If they don't offer enough value to en

Then you pay someone to help, of course. That's the value add they can offer - no 'compromise' to appease them required. If they don't offer enough value to enough people, then they don't get to stay in business. No reason for the government to artificially sustain these businesses if they can't offer enough value without government aid.

dave333 3y ago
The complex tax code created by the government is the only reason they exist in the first place.
- GrinningFool 3y ago
  True. You keep saying that we have the tax system we voted for - that was true, once. But what we have had for years now is the tax system that the lobby is preserving for their own benefit.
  - dave333 3y ago
    The checks and balances system makes it hard to change things e.g. guns. But not impossible, e.g. Obamacare.
- toofy 3y ago
  > The complex tax code created by the government is the only reason they exist in the first place. it seems like you’re arguing complicated is what we deserve, while simultaneously arguing against people who want to make it easier where we can, because making it easier would somehow be a bad thing (and also somehow that more complicated is a net good because complicated means anticommunism?)
  - dave333 3y ago
    No - complex is what we have. I'm suggesting tax preparers offer a useful service and if government provides free tax prep it would be subsidized with higher taxes. Tax prep companies are no worse than insurance companies would you have the govt offer free insurance too? And free everything else while we are about it.
    - toofy 3y ago
      if a thing can be done better and make our lives easier, yes, i absolutely think the government should. if we’re going to pay either way, through taxes or pay a corporation, i want whichever will make our lives better, i don’t particularly care which i pay. while i’m definitely skeptical of government, i’m absolutely just as skeptical of industry, billionaires, and corporations. in many instances where corporations have repeatedly proven their unwillingness to do something or repeatedly misled/broke our trust (eg, data abuse) or repeatedly failed to even do the thing, im completely and absolutely on board with just doing it ourselves (government).
- shkkmo 3y ago
  Th complex to tax code continues to exist because those companies continue to lobby strongly against any kind of real tax reform.

dave333 3y ago

The complex tax code created by the government is the only reason they exist in the first place.

GrinningFool 3y ago
True. You keep saying that we have the tax system we voted for - that was true, once. But what we have had for years now is the tax system that the lobby is preserving for their own benefit.
- dave333 3y ago
  The checks and balances system makes it hard to change things e.g. guns. But not impossible, e.g. Obamacare.
toofy 3y ago
> The complex tax code created by the government is the only reason they exist in the first place. it seems like you’re arguing complicated is what we deserve, while simultaneously arguing against people who want to make it easier where we can, because making it easier would somehow be a bad thing (and also somehow that more complicated is a net good because complicated means anticommunism?)
- dave333 3y ago
  No - complex is what we have. I'm suggesting tax preparers offer a useful service and if government provides free tax prep it would be subsidized with higher taxes. Tax prep companies are no worse than insurance companies would you have the govt offer free insurance too? And free everything else while we are about it.
  - toofy 3y ago
    if a thing can be done better and make our lives easier, yes, i absolutely think the government should. if we’re going to pay either way, through taxes or pay a corporation, i want whichever will make our lives better, i don’t particularly care which i pay. while i’m definitely skeptical of government, i’m absolutely just as skeptical of industry, billionaires, and corporations. in many instances where corporations have repeatedly proven their unwillingness to do something or repeatedly misled/broke our trust (eg, data abuse) or repeatedly failed to even do the thing, im completely and absolutely on board with just doing it ourselves (government).
shkkmo 3y ago
Th complex to tax code continues to exist because those companies continue to lobby strongly against any kind of real tax reform.