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I think there is something to be said about what is worth archiving. I don't know what it is that should be said though. It seems weird to me that as a society

I think there is something to be said about what is worth archiving. I don't know what it is that should be said though. It seems weird to me that as a society we might be saving things such as a 10 hour video of white noise for another 100 years rather than some personal blogs. What is and isn't worth saving?

dzhiurgis 3y ago
IMO social media got a little better once temporary stories came out. Slack’s limited search history is a feature too - forces you to document using appropriate tools and not endless email threads…
- esafak 3y ago
  In my experience it makes people ask the same questions over and over.
- NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
  > Slack’s limited search history I'm sure that I don't know what you mean. My employer is on a paid plan for Slack, and searches cover everything, as far back as I wish to go. Are you thinking of the limitations on the free license?
  - dzhiurgis 3y ago
    Yes I mean free version which was good enough. The other great thing about slack is that anyone from company can start an account without IT’s approval…
    - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
      Well, I would call that rather disingenuous, because "free trial Slack" is certainly not the default for businesses which actually depend on it, and it's not about search capability at all: it's about retention of data.
      - dzhiurgis 3y ago
        I’d argue a ton of slack business users were converted organically from free plans, but I have nothing to prove it with
rolobio 3y ago
It will probably end up being the most popular things, the most viewed or read. More copies of it, more likely to be archived. This reminds me of books. I’m sure the majority of books from over a hundred years ago are lost because they weren’t popular. We haven’t really noticed their absence…
- cj 3y ago
  > I’m sure the majority of books from over a hundred years ago are lost Especially if you include independently published books that weren't widely circulated. I wonder what percentage of total books this is. My grandfather published a book before he passed away. It was never sold online or in any big retail stores. Once the last hard copy is lost, it's gone forever.
  - colinsane 3y ago
    > Once the last hard copy is lost, it's gone forever. i believe the Library of Congress will archive that book for you if you mail them a hard copy. assuming it has a ISBN, you’re in the US, etc.
    - cj 3y ago
      That's a very good idea. Thanks for the tip.
  - Roark66 3y ago
    That's interesting, many countries have laws(or customs) to submit everything published in a form of a book to the national library. I know here in Poland this is done too, because my partner was having her book published by a small publisher and "providing a copy of the book to the national library" was one of the publisher's responsibilities. I have no idea if it's a law or just a custom.
- imtringued 3y ago
  Absence? Technically we haven't even noticed their presence!
ModernMech 3y ago
Depends on how many whales are left in 100 years.
Almondsetat 3y ago
I think there is something to be said about what is worth archiving. I don't know what it is that should be said though. It seems weird to me that as a monastery we might be saving things such as a 10 volume satyrical piece about a forgotten greek tyrant for another 100 years rather than some personal thoughts of an Egyptian philosopher. What is and isn't worth saving?
CuriouslyC 3y ago
AI is going to give a lot of that data that would have otherwise died eternal life. As the tech evolves, businesses will be able to monetize by selling data (for walled gardens) or their pages will all be scraped, cleaned up and resold by multiple orgs (for stuff on the open web).
kamel3d 3y ago
It would be very interesting for us to learn about something in ancient Egypt that is equivalent to white noise today. I think the issue of storage should be solved and made abundant. We should not be worrying about what to save, but rather what if we cannot save.

dzhiurgis 3y ago

IMO social media got a little better once temporary stories came out. Slack’s limited search history is a feature too - forces you to document using appropriate tools and not endless email threads…

esafak 3y ago
In my experience it makes people ask the same questions over and over.
NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
> Slack’s limited search history I'm sure that I don't know what you mean. My employer is on a paid plan for Slack, and searches cover everything, as far back as I wish to go. Are you thinking of the limitations on the free license?
- dzhiurgis 3y ago
  Yes I mean free version which was good enough. The other great thing about slack is that anyone from company can start an account without IT’s approval…
  - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
    Well, I would call that rather disingenuous, because "free trial Slack" is certainly not the default for businesses which actually depend on it, and it's not about search capability at all: it's about retention of data.
    - dzhiurgis 3y ago
      I’d argue a ton of slack business users were converted organically from free plans, but I have nothing to prove it with

rolobio 3y ago

It will probably end up being the most popular things, the most viewed or read. More copies of it, more likely to be archived. This reminds me of books. I’m sure the majority of books from over a hundred years ago are lost because they weren’t popular. We haven’t really noticed their absence…

cj 3y ago
> I’m sure the majority of books from over a hundred years ago are lost Especially if you include independently published books that weren't widely circulated. I wonder what percentage of total books this is. My grandfather published a book before he passed away. It was never sold online or in any big retail stores. Once the last hard copy is lost, it's gone forever.
- colinsane 3y ago
  > Once the last hard copy is lost, it's gone forever. i believe the Library of Congress will archive that book for you if you mail them a hard copy. assuming it has a ISBN, you’re in the US, etc.
  - cj 3y ago
    That's a very good idea. Thanks for the tip.
- Roark66 3y ago
  That's interesting, many countries have laws(or customs) to submit everything published in a form of a book to the national library. I know here in Poland this is done too, because my partner was having her book published by a small publisher and "providing a copy of the book to the national library" was one of the publisher's responsibilities. I have no idea if it's a law or just a custom.
imtringued 3y ago
Absence? Technically we haven't even noticed their presence!

ModernMech 3y ago

Depends on how many whales are left in 100 years.

Almondsetat 3y ago

I think there is something to be said about what is worth archiving. I don't know what it is that should be said though. It seems weird to me that as a monastery we might be saving things such as a 10 volume satyrical piece about a forgotten greek tyrant for another 100 years rather than some personal thoughts of an Egyptian philosopher. What is and isn't worth saving?

CuriouslyC 3y ago

AI is going to give a lot of that data that would have otherwise died eternal life. As the tech evolves, businesses will be able to monetize by selling data (for walled gardens) or their pages will all be scraped, cleaned up and resold by multiple orgs (for stuff on the open web).

kamel3d 3y ago

It would be very interesting for us to learn about something in ancient Egypt that is equivalent to white noise today. I think the issue of storage should be solved and made abundant. We should not be worrying about what to save, but rather what if we cannot save.