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My first thought is how will you travel if you're not a citizen of any country? Were you suggesting giving up your citizenship or did you mean a resident of any

My first thought is how will you travel if you're not a citizen of any country? Were you suggesting giving up your citizenship or did you mean a resident of any country? You need a passport to travel. If you are a US Citizen and leave the US for more than 6 months approx, you are no longer considered a resident. If you choose to go to Europe you can only stay in the Schengen Area for 90 days every 180 days. You could go to UK and stay for up to 90 days and a list of other countries. You will still need to file your taxes every year with the US Gov and if you didn't pay taxes in any other country you will need to pay the US Gov. Otherwise you will need to make over 127 k USD outside the USA before you pay taxes on anything above that. Canada/Europe can be expensive, Eastern Europe/Asia/South America will be cheaper. You will probably need to move to a new country every 90 Days. It's very complicated and every country has different rules and how long you can stay. Doing it for a a few months of the year (like spend a summer in Europe) is probably much easier. Every year you can choose another part of the world for 3 months.

trinsic2 3y ago
Interesting points. I guess I was thinking about the principal of being stateless, which sounds insane. My philosophical thinking is in high gear today, maybe I am just getting tired of the rat race of life. I have opinions on the tax thing, but I will keep it to myself as it will likely derail the conversation. It just seems like its not beneficial to a person to be required to retain citizenship while in a permanent state of traveling (if you are not actually living in a country for a long period of time). I know each country has laws around this. The philosophical question its interesting. Now that I am realizing that I am not sure what I am asking, HN probably insn't the best place for this. Thanks for the responses.
- syndicatedjelly 3y ago
  Being a citizen of no country is massively problematic, not sure I understand what problem you think it would solve. Being a citizen of the US is the best way to guarantee easy travel to the vast majority of the world. You can walk into the EU without a visa, for example (although I think that may be changing)
- ChumpGPT 3y ago
  If you're looking to get out of paying taxes in the US, forgetaboutit. You're best bet is to claim residency in a low tax state that has no income tax, ex: TX, FL, etc. That way you're only on the hook for Federal Tax. If you choose to be a stateless person, forget about banking, credit cards, drivers license, traveling and accessing many of the things you take for granted like a mobile phone, Internet, etc. Most companies require identification to subscribe to their services. 100 plus years ago totally doable, today not so much.

trinsic2 3y ago

Interesting points. I guess I was thinking about the principal of being stateless, which sounds insane. My philosophical thinking is in high gear today, maybe I am just getting tired of the rat race of life. I have opinions on the tax thing, but I will keep it to myself as it will likely derail the conversation. It just seems like its not beneficial to a person to be required to retain citizenship while in a permanent state of traveling (if you are not actually living in a country for a long period of time). I know each country has laws around this. The philosophical question its interesting. Now that I am realizing that I am not sure what I am asking, HN probably insn't the best place for this. Thanks for the responses.

syndicatedjelly 3y ago
Being a citizen of no country is massively problematic, not sure I understand what problem you think it would solve. Being a citizen of the US is the best way to guarantee easy travel to the vast majority of the world. You can walk into the EU without a visa, for example (although I think that may be changing)
ChumpGPT 3y ago
If you're looking to get out of paying taxes in the US, forgetaboutit. You're best bet is to claim residency in a low tax state that has no income tax, ex: TX, FL, etc. That way you're only on the hook for Federal Tax. If you choose to be a stateless person, forget about banking, credit cards, drivers license, traveling and accessing many of the things you take for granted like a mobile phone, Internet, etc. Most companies require identification to subscribe to their services. 100 plus years ago totally doable, today not so much.