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Why do they have to be mutually exclusive? It's a backup. It's like saying "yeah my server runs super stable and I haven't had any power outages in the last few

Why do they have to be mutually exclusive? It's a backup. It's like saying "yeah my server runs super stable and I haven't had any power outages in the last few months, so I don't need a UPS, so I'll throw mine away." Which is great, until your data is irrevocably corrupted and you regret your decision. You're right, marching with guns doesn't resolve civil issues most of the time. That's not the point. It's for when all other options are exhausted. And we won't truly appreciate it for what it is, until that time comes, by which point I hope we haven't complacently thrown it away because we couldn't learn from history (again). "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable." ~ JFK It's really based on "hasn't happened to me, so it probably won't happen to me" logic. Which is stupid when you're setting rules for generations to come. All good things come to an end, and the US will too. It will be a slow boil until we realize we're in a seriously corrupt and unrepresentative state that can only be fixed through force. It has happened time and time again, and to think we won't meet the same fate is incredibly naive. At least we have an enshrined fighting chance to reset the way we want.

camgunz 3y ago
Yeah but in this case your UPS causes tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths a year and lots of knock on effects like cops always having to worry about a suspect being armed to the teeth, metal detectors in schools, etc. > It will be a slow boil until we realize we're in a seriously corrupt and unrepresentative state that can only be fixed through force. There's no evidence this is happening, certainly not to the degree we should suffer the current level of gun violence to combat.
- seanw444 3y ago
  All of those things will happen whether we ban legal ownership of firearms or not. Metal detectors in school can still come in handy for things like knives, unless you intend to ban those too. Way more people die from car accidents and drug overdoses, and those numbers don't have millions of legal self defense encounters to balance them out. Cops will always be concerned about their safety. You can kill someone if you simply gain physical control over them. An unarmed person charging you is just as dangerous as an armed one, in terms of use-of-force continuum.
  - camgunz 3y ago
    These all have simple counterfactuals in other countries, like EU countries. The idea that violence won't decrease if we ban guns is completely disproven, empirically.

camgunz 3y ago

Yeah but in this case your UPS causes tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths a year and lots of knock on effects like cops always having to worry about a suspect being armed to the teeth, metal detectors in schools, etc. > It will be a slow boil until we realize we're in a seriously corrupt and unrepresentative state that can only be fixed through force. There's no evidence this is happening, certainly not to the degree we should suffer the current level of gun violence to combat.

seanw444 3y ago
All of those things will happen whether we ban legal ownership of firearms or not. Metal detectors in school can still come in handy for things like knives, unless you intend to ban those too. Way more people die from car accidents and drug overdoses, and those numbers don't have millions of legal self defense encounters to balance them out. Cops will always be concerned about their safety. You can kill someone if you simply gain physical control over them. An unarmed person charging you is just as dangerous as an armed one, in terms of use-of-force continuum.
- camgunz 3y ago
  These all have simple counterfactuals in other countries, like EU countries. The idea that violence won't decrease if we ban guns is completely disproven, empirically.