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You can't understand leveraging one distribution channel to expand into another market segment could possibly be anti-competitive? Like using Windows to expand

You can't understand leveraging one distribution channel to expand into another market segment could possibly be anti-competitive? Like using Windows to expand into web browsers?

sebzim4500 3y ago
I guess I just consider them the same market segment. We don't get upset at car manufacturers when they bundle wheels and tires with their cars.
- avianlyric 3y ago
  Last I checked it was pretty hard to use a car without wheels or tires. But some how the world managed to use Office for decades without Teams.
  - Analemma_ 3y ago
    But markets change. Video calling and team-based chatrooms weren't considered necessary in the space before, and now they are. When market demands change, products could change accordingly-- the point of the debate here is it's a little odd to say Microsoft isn't allowed to add new features to their software that the market is asking for.
    - avianlyric 3y ago
      What? Why does that mean team communication tool must be bundled with office tools? They’re hardly “just adding features” to existing software. It not like teams is just a “feature” in Word or Excel, it’s entirely separate. Do you think that Office and Teams should be bundled with Windows as well? So your only option is to pay a subscription for windows, and get Office and Teams “for free”?
michaelt 3y ago
It's a bit confusing to young people, because in this millennium enforcement has been so lax as to be almost nonexistent. I don't see anyone prosecuting Google for bundling Chrome with Android and pushing Chrome in Search, or prosecuting Apple for bundling Safari and iCloud with the iPhone, or prosecuting Amazon for bundling streaming video with Prime, or prosecuting Microsoft for pushing Edge with Windows.
- disgruntledphd2 3y ago
  > I don't see anyone prosecuting Google for bundling Chrome with Android The EU did this: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/it/MEMO_15_4782 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/it/MEMO_1... > pushing Chrome in Search, I really wish this had happened, but maybe no-one made a complaint? > prosecuting Microsoft for pushing Edge with Windows. This will 100% happen, but the wheels move slowly.

You can't understand leveraging one distribution channel to expand into another market segment could possibly be anti-competitive? Like using Windows to expand into web browsers?

sebzim4500 3y ago

I guess I just consider them the same market segment. We don't get upset at car manufacturers when they bundle wheels and tires with their cars.

avianlyric 3y ago
Last I checked it was pretty hard to use a car without wheels or tires. But some how the world managed to use Office for decades without Teams.
- Analemma_ 3y ago
  But markets change. Video calling and team-based chatrooms weren't considered necessary in the space before, and now they are. When market demands change, products could change accordingly-- the point of the debate here is it's a little odd to say Microsoft isn't allowed to add new features to their software that the market is asking for.
  - avianlyric 3y ago
    What? Why does that mean team communication tool must be bundled with office tools? They’re hardly “just adding features” to existing software. It not like teams is just a “feature” in Word or Excel, it’s entirely separate. Do you think that Office and Teams should be bundled with Windows as well? So your only option is to pay a subscription for windows, and get Office and Teams “for free”?

michaelt 3y ago

It's a bit confusing to young people, because in this millennium enforcement has been so lax as to be almost nonexistent. I don't see anyone prosecuting Google for bundling Chrome with Android and pushing Chrome in Search, or prosecuting Apple for bundling Safari and iCloud with the iPhone, or prosecuting Amazon for bundling streaming video with Prime, or prosecuting Microsoft for pushing Edge with Windows.

disgruntledphd2 3y ago
> I don't see anyone prosecuting Google for bundling Chrome with Android The EU did this: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/it/MEMO_15_4782 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/it/MEMO_1... > pushing Chrome in Search, I really wish this had happened, but maybe no-one made a complaint? > prosecuting Microsoft for pushing Edge with Windows. This will 100% happen, but the wheels move slowly.