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the reason it uses that term is that "gang bombings" in international press paints a very different, AFIK incorrect, picture The thing is Sweden has problems w

the reason it uses that term is that "gang bombings" in international press paints a very different, AFIK incorrect, picture The thing is Sweden has problems with people blowing up stuff with bombs since years, BUT it's also since years that this acts in most cases _only target property_, e.g. a police booth, but not people. I.e. no injured people is more the norm then it is a lucky confidence. on the other hand unrelated people dying because of gang violence is kinda common in the many counties. So when youn read "gang bombings" it's much more likely to be associated with an act with the intention or willingness to kill people then an act with the intention to cause property damage

tapland 3y ago
Import of hand grenades was legal leading up to the series of explosions a few years ago. It has quieted down a lot since, until very recently.
marginalia_nu 3y ago
This isn't the IRA. There are no warning calls to the police to get people to evacuate. These are the same people who gun down their targets on crowded streets in broad daylight. The fact that relatively few people have gotten killed is entirely due to luck and the relatively low yield of the explosions (usually hand-me-down hand grenades from the Balkans wars).
- dathinab 3y ago
  I never said they are not bad people. I said that it's misleading if put in the title in international because people only read the title and put it into context with their expectation. And in many counties the implicit reading would be "gang tires to kill people with bomb" which makes it look like Sweaden is falling apart both of which just isn't the case so I'm the title speaking about residental explosions and then in the body exploding properly what that means makes a lot of sense
  - marginalia_nu 3y ago
    It is a problem though. We shouldn't become desensitized to daily headlines of explosions and assassinations in broad daylight because only a few hundred people are killed each year. That shit will never be normal.
    - dathinab 3y ago
      it's not supposed to be normal but when you report in one country with very different dynamics about another country you probably want to not put anything which needs additional context in the headlines because people way to often only read headlines honestly preferable there shouldn't be a headline, but that just doesn't work, I mean how do you know if the topic might be of interest of there is no longer a headline telling you about the topic
avion23 3y ago
You are implying that gangs bombing buildings in the city center is 'okay'-ish because people weren't targeted intentionally? Were the buildings evacuated before? TBH mentioning gangs would paint a very accurate picture. Because it is gangs, they are fighting for drug control, blackmail, rape and kill. And to go one step further: It would be even better to name the cultural background of these gangs and that it's a direct consequence of a misdirected immigraction politique
- dathinab 3y ago
  please stop putting words in other people mouths what I'm was saying is that from only reading the title in international press a lot of people would get a wrong picture nothing in their says that what they did is okayish just far less bad then idk. trying to kill as many people of a specific group as possible with a bomb which is what I would think happened when I read gang bombings in US media
  - avion23 3y ago
    You are relativating great crimes. You are embracing and supporting euphemistic language. At the level of this crime it's nuances of 'killings'.
    - dathinab 3y ago
      you are twisting what people write, putting words in their mouth and intentional side track the original argument which was about the formulation of the title to one which assumes it's about the content of the article and no matter how much you insist that grate crime is all equality bad the situation a country is in when there are frequent assassination attempts by bomb and the situation Sweden is in is VERY different so if you are not Swedich newspaper it's a good idea to add the necessary context when writing about it, which is impossible in the title, so you use a more generic title
- krisoft 3y ago
  > TBH mentioning gangs would paint a very accurate picture. And they do mention gangs! The exact word is used twice.
nonethewiser 3y ago
Gang bombings is accurate because thats what they are. How would people learn gang bombings in Sweden usually target property not people if you dont run stories about them?
- dathinab 3y ago
  but how do you avoid people only reading the title and getting a very different picture if not by carefully formulating it they should have called it that _in_ the article but due to the very unhealthy way ton of people consume articles (title only) title have to be written with a lot of care
  - nonethewiser 3y ago
    > but how do you avoid people only reading the title and getting a very different picture Thats what happened with “residential explosion.”
    - dathinab 3y ago
      you could say it's always happening headlines are "<censored cursing>" But shouldn't we then prefer the lest sensational variant, we are so swamped with bad news all the time that at least for external (i.e. country far away, likely not going to affect the country the news is for) things if I had the choice between two attention grabbing similar misleading titles I would always prefer the one which is less painting the picture of "the whole world goes to shit". Because AFIK this kind of misunderstanding produced here is less likely to have further negative ripple effects of people which only saw the headline incorrectly quoting it. But also I'm living in a country where there is no issue with newspapers constantly downplaying police or citizen violence. So my preference might differ.
  - dan-0 3y ago
    Why stop there? Why not just title it "Four Bombings in Europe?" You wouldn't want to give an unhealthy outlook toward Sweden when bombings happen elsewhere too. But seriously and respectfully, my point being the title is not accurate to the article. "Residential bombing" is not a real description, it could be aerial bombings, it could be gas leaks, it could be terrorism, or something else. Context is important. I'm not interested in random bombings. If a foreign nation is attacking Sweden, I want to know everything in real time. If it's an explosion due to a gas leak I'm probably not going to click in and read it, but maybe someone who is interested in public safety or that geographic area will. If it's gang violence, maybe someone with an interest in safety and law enforcement is interested. "Residential bombing" doesn't tell me enough to make me want to understand it more, it _does_ sound like a gas leak, but I am interested in gang violence in Sweden because it's something I know very little about. When I have a limited amount of time to read the news, I'm only going to prioritize articles that look like I'm going to get something out of it, I'm not going to read articles with vague headlines. To me that's click bait just like any other.
tyingq 3y ago
The article mentions "Just after 1am local time...All four blasts were at residential buildings". Which makes you wonder if it's just luck that nobody was hurt.
- knallfrosch 3y ago
  It's in the article > bombs are mainly used to intimidate targets, while shootings are used to kill enemies.
  - tyingq 3y ago
    That's the intention, yes. But a live grenade in an active residential area certainly can (and has) hurt and killed people.
tomp 3y ago
Yeah maybe it's not the best term but it's quite accurate and I didn't spend more than 5 seconds thinking about it. The point is, however, that this ("gang violence") isn't really happening in most of Europe (or other first world countries like Japan), and wasn't happening in Sweden 15 years ago. Also, did you consider that the reason there's no casualties is that people are so afraid to go out or walk around these "gang areas" that there's just noone around? I wouldn't exactly call that a positive...
- dathinab 3y ago
  AFIK gang violence is happening in most of the EU in many cases has been happening since a very very long time just with very different dynamics then in the US which in combination with people often only reading the headline makes it a bit trick for a US newspaper to choose a good title e.g. when I read "gang violence escalates" in a German news paper I expect very different thing then when reading it in the US but in both counties it something you might have read in the last 2-3 decades and AFIK this bombings are not limited to some "gang areas"

tapland 3y ago

Import of hand grenades was legal leading up to the series of explosions a few years ago. It has quieted down a lot since, until very recently.

marginalia_nu 3y ago

This isn't the IRA. There are no warning calls to the police to get people to evacuate. These are the same people who gun down their targets on crowded streets in broad daylight. The fact that relatively few people have gotten killed is entirely due to luck and the relatively low yield of the explosions (usually hand-me-down hand grenades from the Balkans wars).

dathinab 3y ago
I never said they are not bad people. I said that it's misleading if put in the title in international because people only read the title and put it into context with their expectation. And in many counties the implicit reading would be "gang tires to kill people with bomb" which makes it look like Sweaden is falling apart both of which just isn't the case so I'm the title speaking about residental explosions and then in the body exploding properly what that means makes a lot of sense
- marginalia_nu 3y ago
  It is a problem though. We shouldn't become desensitized to daily headlines of explosions and assassinations in broad daylight because only a few hundred people are killed each year. That shit will never be normal.
  - dathinab 3y ago
    it's not supposed to be normal but when you report in one country with very different dynamics about another country you probably want to not put anything which needs additional context in the headlines because people way to often only read headlines honestly preferable there shouldn't be a headline, but that just doesn't work, I mean how do you know if the topic might be of interest of there is no longer a headline telling you about the topic

avion23 3y ago

You are implying that gangs bombing buildings in the city center is 'okay'-ish because people weren't targeted intentionally? Were the buildings evacuated before? TBH mentioning gangs would paint a very accurate picture. Because it is gangs, they are fighting for drug control, blackmail, rape and kill. And to go one step further: It would be even better to name the cultural background of these gangs and that it's a direct consequence of a misdirected immigraction politique

dathinab 3y ago
please stop putting words in other people mouths what I'm was saying is that from only reading the title in international press a lot of people would get a wrong picture nothing in their says that what they did is okayish just far less bad then idk. trying to kill as many people of a specific group as possible with a bomb which is what I would think happened when I read gang bombings in US media
- avion23 3y ago
  You are relativating great crimes. You are embracing and supporting euphemistic language. At the level of this crime it's nuances of 'killings'.
  - dathinab 3y ago
    you are twisting what people write, putting words in their mouth and intentional side track the original argument which was about the formulation of the title to one which assumes it's about the content of the article and no matter how much you insist that grate crime is all equality bad the situation a country is in when there are frequent assassination attempts by bomb and the situation Sweden is in is VERY different so if you are not Swedich newspaper it's a good idea to add the necessary context when writing about it, which is impossible in the title, so you use a more generic title
krisoft 3y ago
> TBH mentioning gangs would paint a very accurate picture. And they do mention gangs! The exact word is used twice.

nonethewiser 3y ago

Gang bombings is accurate because thats what they are. How would people learn gang bombings in Sweden usually target property not people if you dont run stories about them?

dathinab 3y ago
but how do you avoid people only reading the title and getting a very different picture if not by carefully formulating it they should have called it that _in_ the article but due to the very unhealthy way ton of people consume articles (title only) title have to be written with a lot of care
- nonethewiser 3y ago
  > but how do you avoid people only reading the title and getting a very different picture Thats what happened with “residential explosion.”
  - dathinab 3y ago
    you could say it's always happening headlines are "<censored cursing>" But shouldn't we then prefer the lest sensational variant, we are so swamped with bad news all the time that at least for external (i.e. country far away, likely not going to affect the country the news is for) things if I had the choice between two attention grabbing similar misleading titles I would always prefer the one which is less painting the picture of "the whole world goes to shit". Because AFIK this kind of misunderstanding produced here is less likely to have further negative ripple effects of people which only saw the headline incorrectly quoting it. But also I'm living in a country where there is no issue with newspapers constantly downplaying police or citizen violence. So my preference might differ.
- dan-0 3y ago
  Why stop there? Why not just title it "Four Bombings in Europe?" You wouldn't want to give an unhealthy outlook toward Sweden when bombings happen elsewhere too. But seriously and respectfully, my point being the title is not accurate to the article. "Residential bombing" is not a real description, it could be aerial bombings, it could be gas leaks, it could be terrorism, or something else. Context is important. I'm not interested in random bombings. If a foreign nation is attacking Sweden, I want to know everything in real time. If it's an explosion due to a gas leak I'm probably not going to click in and read it, but maybe someone who is interested in public safety or that geographic area will. If it's gang violence, maybe someone with an interest in safety and law enforcement is interested. "Residential bombing" doesn't tell me enough to make me want to understand it more, it _does_ sound like a gas leak, but I am interested in gang violence in Sweden because it's something I know very little about. When I have a limited amount of time to read the news, I'm only going to prioritize articles that look like I'm going to get something out of it, I'm not going to read articles with vague headlines. To me that's click bait just like any other.

tyingq 3y ago

The article mentions "Just after 1am local time...All four blasts were at residential buildings". Which makes you wonder if it's just luck that nobody was hurt.

knallfrosch 3y ago
It's in the article > bombs are mainly used to intimidate targets, while shootings are used to kill enemies.
- tyingq 3y ago
  That's the intention, yes. But a live grenade in an active residential area certainly can (and has) hurt and killed people.

tomp 3y ago

Yeah maybe it's not the best term but it's quite accurate and I didn't spend more than 5 seconds thinking about it. The point is, however, that this ("gang violence") isn't really happening in most of Europe (or other first world countries like Japan), and wasn't happening in Sweden 15 years ago. Also, did you consider that the reason there's no casualties is that people are so afraid to go out or walk around these "gang areas" that there's just noone around? I wouldn't exactly call that a positive...

dathinab 3y ago
AFIK gang violence is happening in most of the EU in many cases has been happening since a very very long time just with very different dynamics then in the US which in combination with people often only reading the headline makes it a bit trick for a US newspaper to choose a good title e.g. when I read "gang violence escalates" in a German news paper I expect very different thing then when reading it in the US but in both counties it something you might have read in the last 2-3 decades and AFIK this bombings are not limited to some "gang areas"