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A community has no moral obligation to accommodate outsiders with different values. Rather, the outsider has a moral obligation to adopt the values of the comm

A community has no moral obligation to accommodate outsiders with different values. Rather, the outsider has a moral obligation to adopt the values of the community if they want to join. When a large group of people join a community and disregard/replace their values, that is morally equivalent to an invasion or colonization, for lack of a better term. The original community never consented to it.

chillbill 3y ago
It’s not a community in the sense of a small town community or an actual country club. Most people from that Usenet era were nerdy early 20 year olds who thought they were the shit (and in some aspects the were, but in others they weren’t). Some like Dave Fischer (who probably coined the term [1]) even thinks that they were wrong in preventing “the idiots” from coming in. The elitist attitude is the same whether you want people to conform to a specific etiquette when posting on Usenet or want specific people out of politics or positions of power because “we just don’t do things like that on the hill”. 1] https://groups.google.com/g/alt.folklore.computers/c/wF4CpYbWuuA/m/jS6ZOyJd10sJ https://groups.google.com/g/alt.folklore.computers/c/wF4CpYb...
wolverine876 3y ago
> A community has no moral obligation to accommodate outsiders with different values. Rather, the outsider has a moral obligation to adopt the values of the community if they want to join. It's written declaratively, but that is no indication that it's true or right. IMHO communities do have a strong moral obligation to be open to outsiders: It is necessary to a functioning society, it reduces corruption, and it helps the outsider. Also, the community benefits from having new blood - it will wither and corrupt itself without it. > that is morally equivalent to an invasion or colonization, for lack of a better term Colonialism is not about outsiders coming inside, it's about power. If in the 19th century a bunch of people from southern Africa came to the UK, the UK wouldn't have been colonized (obviously). The southern Africans didn't have that power, and thus couldn't have used it to inflict the associated harms on the people in the UK. But the UK did have the power and did inflict the harms.
- bavell 3y ago
  > It is necessary to a functioning society, it reduces corruption, and it helps the outsider. Also, the community benefits from having new blood - it will wither and corrupt itself without it. Citation badly needed > It's written declaratively, but that is no indication that it's true or right. You don't say...
klooney 3y ago
What if they did a land acknowledgement to USENET greybeards before every Meta board meeting?
- i_read_news 3y ago
  Had a good laugh just imagining this scenario, thanks.

chillbill 3y ago

It’s not a community in the sense of a small town community or an actual country club. Most people from that Usenet era were nerdy early 20 year olds who thought they were the shit (and in some aspects the were, but in others they weren’t). Some like Dave Fischer (who probably coined the term [1]) even thinks that they were wrong in preventing “the idiots” from coming in. The elitist attitude is the same whether you want people to conform to a specific etiquette when posting on Usenet or want specific people out of politics or positions of power because “we just don’t do things like that on the hill”. 1] https://groups.google.com/g/alt.folklore.computers/c/wF4CpYbWuuA/m/jS6ZOyJd10sJ https://groups.google.com/g/alt.folklore.computers/c/wF4CpYb...

wolverine876 3y ago

> A community has no moral obligation to accommodate outsiders with different values. Rather, the outsider has a moral obligation to adopt the values of the community if they want to join. It's written declaratively, but that is no indication that it's true or right. IMHO communities do have a strong moral obligation to be open to outsiders: It is necessary to a functioning society, it reduces corruption, and it helps the outsider. Also, the community benefits from having new blood - it will wither and corrupt itself without it. > that is morally equivalent to an invasion or colonization, for lack of a better term Colonialism is not about outsiders coming inside, it's about power. If in the 19th century a bunch of people from southern Africa came to the UK, the UK wouldn't have been colonized (obviously). The southern Africans didn't have that power, and thus couldn't have used it to inflict the associated harms on the people in the UK. But the UK did have the power and did inflict the harms.

bavell 3y ago
> It is necessary to a functioning society, it reduces corruption, and it helps the outsider. Also, the community benefits from having new blood - it will wither and corrupt itself without it. Citation badly needed > It's written declaratively, but that is no indication that it's true or right. You don't say...

klooney 3y ago

What if they did a land acknowledgement to USENET greybeards before every Meta board meeting?

i_read_news 3y ago
Had a good laugh just imagining this scenario, thanks.