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The Transfer of a Russian ICBM to North Korea?

27 points by jdmark 3y ago

mrguyorama 3y ago
Russia is a Pariah state now. I bet Putin would love if North Korea were the ones to break the Nuclear taboo so he could use nukes in Ukraine hoping for less of a reaction. It's probably less direct than that though, as they need the North Korean ammo and want North Korea to distract the US as much as possible. Super fun.
- Mobius01 3y ago
  Nobody is using nuclear weapons, or everyone is using them and exit the human race. They’re political tools more than effective weapon systems now.
- Mountain_Skies 3y ago
  Why isn't he dead from one of the dozens of cancers and other life threatening ailments that the media has claimed he has since the start of the invasion? Almost makes one wonder if we should really trust anything said by the media about our enemy's leaders.
  - ElectricalUnion 3y ago
    "Putin is about to fall this year" is on the same level as "20XX Year of the Linux on the Desktop" as a meme. Good or bad news is news, life as normal is unappealing.
  - randomopining 3y ago
    "The media" -- just because randos say that doesn't mean mainstream news is saying it's a fact.
    - abracadaniel 3y ago
      It does seem like there’s been a trend of claiming “things I read on Twitter and don’t believe” as being out of touch MSM, while “things I read on Twitter and agree with” are the new journalism disrupting the status quo.
      - randomopining 3y ago
        Yup. They loosely associate whatever poster with "being on the MSM's side" and basically attribute it to them. When in reality, an organization like NYTimes is on the leading forefront of fact collecting and verification -- even though it has a metropolitan liberal bend.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > life threatening ailments that the media has claimed I haven't seen anyone credibly claim this. Perhaps tweak your sources?
  - GoToRO 3y ago
    It comes straight from Kremlin. You can't be the bad guy if you are ill. Stir some compasion for yourself and you can kill innocent people.
- sdfghswe 3y ago
  Our nukes are there to be used. They're quite expensive.
  - wkat4242 3y ago
    If you feel free to use them, others will feel free to use them on you. That's not a world you want to live in.
  - anakaine 3y ago
    War hawking nukes is not a place you want to be. - US nukes NK. - NK alliance with Russia / China results in US being nuked. Alternatively Russian early detection and deadmans switch results in retaliation launch. - US being nuked results in US sending retaliation nukes, potentially also dragging in India and UK since treaties are now invoked and treaty partners are a principal target. - India and UK nuking China or Russia puts Iran's nukes into play within Europe. Mutually Assured Destruction. The entire scenario could play out in under an hour. Politics means it would likely take longer, but if certain automated deadmans systems are still operational then multi-continental effe ts would be felt in under an hour. North Korea has often said it's intent is to build an arsenal to keep the US at bay such that it achieves complete independence from external financial and political influence. The nuke / MAD card is clearly their play. If it works out for them, expect others to follow.
    - sdfghswe 3y ago
      Why would the US nuke NK?
- goodbyesf 3y ago
  > I bet Putin would love if North Korea were the ones to break the Nuclear taboo so he could use nukes in Ukraine hoping for less of a reaction. What nuclear taboo? I think hiroshima and nagasaki ended any hope for a nuclear taboo. > It's probably less direct than that though, as they need the North Korean ammo and want North Korea to distract the US as much as possible. Honestly, it's amazing how people just mindlessly parrot dumb propaganda they watch. Take a minute to think about what you just wrote for a minute and you'll realize how dumb it is. Here's a hint, if you read or watch something about russia or china o iran from news or social media, it's probably bullshit.
  - _kbh_ 3y ago
    > What nuclear taboo? I think hiroshima and nagasaki ended any hope for a nuclear taboo. Then Russia is free to use nuclear weapons on Ukraine and they are free to suffer the consequences too. If the nuclear weapons actually work that is.
    - goodbyesf 3y ago
      > Then Russia is free to use nuclear weapons on Ukraine Why ukraine? Russia's enemy isn't ukraine. Surely they'll use it on their enemies. > and they are free to suffer the consequences too. What were the consequences of hiroshima and nagasaki again? > If the nuclear weapons actually work that is. I suspect if their nuclear weapons didn't work, we would have nuked them a long time ago. Sometimes people get so silly here.
      - _kbh_ 3y ago
        > Why ukraine? Russia's enemy isn't ukraine. Surely they'll use it on their enemies. Well they keep threatening to nuke Ukraine and like a dozen more countries, generally over things that happen in Ukraine. > What were the consequences of hiroshima and nagasaki again? What war is Russia fighting against an existential threat that is trying to invade them again?. > I suspect if their nuclear weapons didn't work, we would have nuked them a long time ago. > Sometimes people get so silly here. Why? even if they didn't work we probably wouldn't nuke them, we don't nuke people just because. America spends more money on maintaining its nukes than Russia spends on its entire military. I have serious doubts about all of Russias nuke working given just how hollowed out and non-existent much cheaper parts of their military appear to be.
xxpor 3y ago
A rebuttal https://www.armscontrolwonk.com/archive/1218663/errors-in-postols-analysis-of-the-hwasong-18/ https://www.armscontrolwonk.com/archive/1218663/errors-in-po...
- baybal2 3y ago
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27 points by jdmark 3y ago

Russia is a Pariah state now. I bet Putin would love if North Korea were the ones to break the Nuclear taboo so he could use nukes in Ukraine hoping for less of a reaction. It's probably less direct than that though, as they need the North Korean ammo and want North Korea to distract the US as much as possible. Super fun.

Mobius01 3y ago
Nobody is using nuclear weapons, or everyone is using them and exit the human race. They’re political tools more than effective weapon systems now.
Mountain_Skies 3y ago
Why isn't he dead from one of the dozens of cancers and other life threatening ailments that the media has claimed he has since the start of the invasion? Almost makes one wonder if we should really trust anything said by the media about our enemy's leaders.
- ElectricalUnion 3y ago
  "Putin is about to fall this year" is on the same level as "20XX Year of the Linux on the Desktop" as a meme. Good or bad news is news, life as normal is unappealing.
- randomopining 3y ago
  "The media" -- just because randos say that doesn't mean mainstream news is saying it's a fact.
  - abracadaniel 3y ago
    It does seem like there’s been a trend of claiming “things I read on Twitter and don’t believe” as being out of touch MSM, while “things I read on Twitter and agree with” are the new journalism disrupting the status quo.
    - randomopining 3y ago
      Yup. They loosely associate whatever poster with "being on the MSM's side" and basically attribute it to them. When in reality, an organization like NYTimes is on the leading forefront of fact collecting and verification -- even though it has a metropolitan liberal bend.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > life threatening ailments that the media has claimed I haven't seen anyone credibly claim this. Perhaps tweak your sources?
- GoToRO 3y ago
  It comes straight from Kremlin. You can't be the bad guy if you are ill. Stir some compasion for yourself and you can kill innocent people.
sdfghswe 3y ago
Our nukes are there to be used. They're quite expensive.
- wkat4242 3y ago
  If you feel free to use them, others will feel free to use them on you. That's not a world you want to live in.
- anakaine 3y ago
  War hawking nukes is not a place you want to be. - US nukes NK. - NK alliance with Russia / China results in US being nuked. Alternatively Russian early detection and deadmans switch results in retaliation launch. - US being nuked results in US sending retaliation nukes, potentially also dragging in India and UK since treaties are now invoked and treaty partners are a principal target. - India and UK nuking China or Russia puts Iran's nukes into play within Europe. Mutually Assured Destruction. The entire scenario could play out in under an hour. Politics means it would likely take longer, but if certain automated deadmans systems are still operational then multi-continental effe ts would be felt in under an hour. North Korea has often said it's intent is to build an arsenal to keep the US at bay such that it achieves complete independence from external financial and political influence. The nuke / MAD card is clearly their play. If it works out for them, expect others to follow.
  - sdfghswe 3y ago
    Why would the US nuke NK?
goodbyesf 3y ago
> I bet Putin would love if North Korea were the ones to break the Nuclear taboo so he could use nukes in Ukraine hoping for less of a reaction. What nuclear taboo? I think hiroshima and nagasaki ended any hope for a nuclear taboo. > It's probably less direct than that though, as they need the North Korean ammo and want North Korea to distract the US as much as possible. Honestly, it's amazing how people just mindlessly parrot dumb propaganda they watch. Take a minute to think about what you just wrote for a minute and you'll realize how dumb it is. Here's a hint, if you read or watch something about russia or china o iran from news or social media, it's probably bullshit.
- _kbh_ 3y ago
  > What nuclear taboo? I think hiroshima and nagasaki ended any hope for a nuclear taboo. Then Russia is free to use nuclear weapons on Ukraine and they are free to suffer the consequences too. If the nuclear weapons actually work that is.
  - goodbyesf 3y ago
    > Then Russia is free to use nuclear weapons on Ukraine Why ukraine? Russia's enemy isn't ukraine. Surely they'll use it on their enemies. > and they are free to suffer the consequences too. What were the consequences of hiroshima and nagasaki again? > If the nuclear weapons actually work that is. I suspect if their nuclear weapons didn't work, we would have nuked them a long time ago. Sometimes people get so silly here.
    - _kbh_ 3y ago
      > Why ukraine? Russia's enemy isn't ukraine. Surely they'll use it on their enemies. Well they keep threatening to nuke Ukraine and like a dozen more countries, generally over things that happen in Ukraine. > What were the consequences of hiroshima and nagasaki again? What war is Russia fighting against an existential threat that is trying to invade them again?. > I suspect if their nuclear weapons didn't work, we would have nuked them a long time ago. > Sometimes people get so silly here. Why? even if they didn't work we probably wouldn't nuke them, we don't nuke people just because. America spends more money on maintaining its nukes than Russia spends on its entire military. I have serious doubts about all of Russias nuke working given just how hollowed out and non-existent much cheaper parts of their military appear to be.

xxpor 3y ago

A rebuttal https://www.armscontrolwonk.com/archive/1218663/errors-in-postols-analysis-of-the-hwasong-18/ https://www.armscontrolwonk.com/archive/1218663/errors-in-po...

baybal2 3y ago
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